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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9470052" data-attributes="member: 7030563"><p>It seems pretty clear to me RAI and RAW they will work. Here are the facts that matter IMO:</p><p></p><p>1. Casting a spell that takes an action to cast uses the magic action. Likewise reading from a scroll with a spell that requires an action to cast and casting that spell uses the magic action.</p><p></p><p>2. A scroll is a magic item.</p><p></p><p>3. Fast hands allows you to: take the Magic action to use a magic item that requires that action.</p><p></p><p>A scroll with a spell on it with a casting time of 1 action meets this requirement.</p><p></p><p>Central to this interpretation is that reading the scroll is executed as part of the casting time (in this case magic action).</p><p></p><p>If we are to use your interpretation then reading the scroll and using the magic action to cast it are two explicit distinct events. Reading the scroll does not have an action cost or time associated with it, and more importantly, there is no text in terms of a time requirement connecting the reading to the casting. Also the scroll itself is not destroyed on reading but only on the spell being cast - "<em>The scroll disintegrates when the casting is completed".</em></p><p></p><p>This interpretation would make scrolls much more powerful and have two big effects on gameplay - first an unlimited number of people could read the scroll and get a free casting, and second the casting could happen days weeks or even years after it was read. I could read the scroll and then cast it an any time in the future using a magic action. Since it does not disintegrate on reading, I then could have every caster in the party or even the entire town read the scroll and then all of them would have one free casting of the spell at any time in the future. I could keep having more and more people read the scroll and get a free casting until the first one of them cast the spell and the scroll disintegrated. After it disintegrated the other people who had read it until that point would still have their free casting available. I don't think this is what is intended and therefore I think the intended meaning of the wording in the PHB is that the reading and the casting happen together as part of the same casting time.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 9470052, member: 7030563"] It seems pretty clear to me RAI and RAW they will work. Here are the facts that matter IMO: 1. Casting a spell that takes an action to cast uses the magic action. Likewise reading from a scroll with a spell that requires an action to cast and casting that spell uses the magic action. 2. A scroll is a magic item. 3. Fast hands allows you to: take the Magic action to use a magic item that requires that action. A scroll with a spell on it with a casting time of 1 action meets this requirement. Central to this interpretation is that reading the scroll is executed as part of the casting time (in this case magic action). If we are to use your interpretation then reading the scroll and using the magic action to cast it are two explicit distinct events. Reading the scroll does not have an action cost or time associated with it, and more importantly, there is no text in terms of a time requirement connecting the reading to the casting. Also the scroll itself is not destroyed on reading but only on the spell being cast - "[I]The scroll disintegrates when the casting is completed".[/I] This interpretation would make scrolls much more powerful and have two big effects on gameplay - first an unlimited number of people could read the scroll and get a free casting, and second the casting could happen days weeks or even years after it was read. I could read the scroll and then cast it an any time in the future using a magic action. Since it does not disintegrate on reading, I then could have every caster in the party or even the entire town read the scroll and then all of them would have one free casting of the spell at any time in the future. I could keep having more and more people read the scroll and get a free casting until the first one of them cast the spell and the scroll disintegrated. After it disintegrated the other people who had read it until that point would still have their free casting available. I don't think this is what is intended and therefore I think the intended meaning of the wording in the PHB is that the reading and the casting happen together as part of the same casting time. [/QUOTE]
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