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<blockquote data-quote="Eric Olson1" data-source="post: 9486695" data-attributes="member: 6975382"><p>These the facts that I am using to make my opinion about intent:</p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">quote from Crawford's youtube video: "The thief will be able to take a magic item that requires a magic action<strong> for activation</strong> and thanks to fast hands, activate it as a bonus action." The bolded text is different than the PHB and would be important to say if you were distinguishing “magic action for casting spell”, “magic action for activation” or “magic action for magical abilities” (the 3 sub-types in the PHB)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">4th edition was broken because of this – so much that removed it completely from 2014. It is my opinion that they are wise and have a memory – it is iconic, but they want to add it back carefully under the DMs control</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Descriptions were carefully edited in the 2024 edition. This is not random. Every change had intent. Defining the 3 types of magic actions is new and associated references (like fast hands) have their text written to align to a type of magic action.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Descriptions of the magic items seem to also be deliberate. Some say that use allows you to cast a spell (enspelled). Others say that use causes an effect (like the cloak of invisibility). It would certainly have been easier and more “consistent” for the cloak of invisibility to say “pulling the cloak over your head allows you to cast the invisibility spell”.. but it does not say that. Why? Intent.</li> </ol><p>Plus my personal feeling: “fast hands” is something you do with your hands (quickly). You do this by NOT concentrating/focusing on it, instead it comes naturally. “James Bond” would not use item that allows him to attach a keyboard and start to hack a computer system himself … He would attach an item that automatically did the hacking, while he was thinking about other things.</p><p></p><p>True Strike cast as a spell (like with an enspelled item) would give you the ability to focus your aiming with the ability associated with the item - but the energy is limited by the rarity of the item. (item energy + your focus). You could make the case where you thought the focus could also be limited, but I don't think that is necessary.</p><p>If you had an item that said "expending a charge creates the effect of true strike", then the effect is coming 100% from the item -- so it magically is helping you aim, you would use the attack bonus from the item (not you). You are not expending mental focus on the item so it would work for fast hands. DMs could (and probably should) create such an item for the players. If the enspelled crafting created an item that didn't require you to "cast a spell", it would say so.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Eric Olson1, post: 9486695, member: 6975382"] These the facts that I am using to make my opinion about intent: [LIST=1] [*]quote from Crawford's youtube video: "The thief will be able to take a magic item that requires a magic action[B] for activation[/B] and thanks to fast hands, activate it as a bonus action." The bolded text is different than the PHB and would be important to say if you were distinguishing “magic action for casting spell”, “magic action for activation” or “magic action for magical abilities” (the 3 sub-types in the PHB) [*]4th edition was broken because of this – so much that removed it completely from 2014. It is my opinion that they are wise and have a memory – it is iconic, but they want to add it back carefully under the DMs control [*]Descriptions were carefully edited in the 2024 edition. This is not random. Every change had intent. Defining the 3 types of magic actions is new and associated references (like fast hands) have their text written to align to a type of magic action. [*]Descriptions of the magic items seem to also be deliberate. Some say that use allows you to cast a spell (enspelled). Others say that use causes an effect (like the cloak of invisibility). It would certainly have been easier and more “consistent” for the cloak of invisibility to say “pulling the cloak over your head allows you to cast the invisibility spell”.. but it does not say that. Why? Intent. [/LIST] Plus my personal feeling: “fast hands” is something you do with your hands (quickly). You do this by NOT concentrating/focusing on it, instead it comes naturally. “James Bond” would not use item that allows him to attach a keyboard and start to hack a computer system himself … He would attach an item that automatically did the hacking, while he was thinking about other things. True Strike cast as a spell (like with an enspelled item) would give you the ability to focus your aiming with the ability associated with the item - but the energy is limited by the rarity of the item. (item energy + your focus). You could make the case where you thought the focus could also be limited, but I don't think that is necessary. If you had an item that said "expending a charge creates the effect of true strike", then the effect is coming 100% from the item -- so it magically is helping you aim, you would use the attack bonus from the item (not you). You are not expending mental focus on the item so it would work for fast hands. DMs could (and probably should) create such an item for the players. If the enspelled crafting created an item that didn't require you to "cast a spell", it would say so. [/QUOTE]
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