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<blockquote data-quote="James Gasik" data-source="post: 9492120" data-attributes="member: 6877472"><p>Unless you take "read the scroll" as a prerequisite to be able to take the Magic Action to cast it in the first place? In this case, it becomes an If-Then statement.</p><p></p><p>IF the scroll is read, THEN you can cast the spell on it.</p><p></p><p>"Reading the scroll" is a non-action, but it is something that needs to be done- if you cannot read the scroll (due to say, poor lighting), you cannot cast the spell.</p><p></p><p>OTOH, there is potentially a physical action involved that Fast Hands might help with. Scrolls are normally stored, rolled up in a scroll case. Though I've never enforced this, as it's never explicitly stated in the rules, unfurling a scroll and holding it so it can be read (instead of rolling back up uselessly) is also a potential prerequisite for using a scroll.</p><p></p><p>I rule that this is one of those "non-actions" like drawing and nocking an arrow from one's quiver in the middle of an Attack action- but it's never stated as such, so the actual sequence of events involved in using a scroll can be:</p><p></p><p>*Free object interaction to take scroll out of case, unless already in hand.</p><p>*Both hands must be free to hold the scroll open.</p><p>*Read the scroll.</p><p>*Take Magic Action to cast the spell.</p><p></p><p>The more I think about this, the more I'm annoyed at the Thief ability in question. It's called "Fast Hands", inferring that the Thief is physically able to use an item with greater proficiency using their hands. But this leaves a giant gray area about what can and cannot be done with the ability.</p><p></p><p>If I want to activate my <em>boots of speed</em> by clicking the heels together- what, am I not allowed to do this because I don't have "Fast Feet"? If the item has a command word, am I unable to use the ability because I don't have "Fast Talk"?</p><p></p><p>What about items that have to be thrown at their targets? Isn't that actually an Attack action, so Fast Hands wouldn't apply in the first place?</p><p></p><p>Sure, rulings not rules, and perhaps some feel that having the wiggle room to make rulings is a feature, but I see it as a bug because the intent of what the ability is meant to do is left entirely unclear.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="James Gasik, post: 9492120, member: 6877472"] Unless you take "read the scroll" as a prerequisite to be able to take the Magic Action to cast it in the first place? In this case, it becomes an If-Then statement. IF the scroll is read, THEN you can cast the spell on it. "Reading the scroll" is a non-action, but it is something that needs to be done- if you cannot read the scroll (due to say, poor lighting), you cannot cast the spell. OTOH, there is potentially a physical action involved that Fast Hands might help with. Scrolls are normally stored, rolled up in a scroll case. Though I've never enforced this, as it's never explicitly stated in the rules, unfurling a scroll and holding it so it can be read (instead of rolling back up uselessly) is also a potential prerequisite for using a scroll. I rule that this is one of those "non-actions" like drawing and nocking an arrow from one's quiver in the middle of an Attack action- but it's never stated as such, so the actual sequence of events involved in using a scroll can be: *Free object interaction to take scroll out of case, unless already in hand. *Both hands must be free to hold the scroll open. *Read the scroll. *Take Magic Action to cast the spell. The more I think about this, the more I'm annoyed at the Thief ability in question. It's called "Fast Hands", inferring that the Thief is physically able to use an item with greater proficiency using their hands. But this leaves a giant gray area about what can and cannot be done with the ability. If I want to activate my [I]boots of speed[/I] by clicking the heels together- what, am I not allowed to do this because I don't have "Fast Feet"? If the item has a command word, am I unable to use the ability because I don't have "Fast Talk"? What about items that have to be thrown at their targets? Isn't that actually an Attack action, so Fast Hands wouldn't apply in the first place? Sure, rulings not rules, and perhaps some feel that having the wiggle room to make rulings is a feature, but I see it as a bug because the intent of what the ability is meant to do is left entirely unclear. [/QUOTE]
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