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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9496132" data-attributes="member: 7030563">The problem with this &quot;OR&quot; interpretation quoted on top is the specific rules you are referencing are for &quot;their activation&quot; noted in red and underlined in your quote.The rules for items that spells are cast from are specifically for the &quot;activation&quot; of those items.If there in fact some items that require &quot;activation&quot; and other items that don't require &quot;activation&quot;; items that &quot;spells [are] cast from&quot; fall into the category of requiring activation because spells cast from items&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;use the following rules for their activation&quot; So items that cast spells from are in fact &quot;activated&quot; according to the wording in the DMG.&nbsp; They are &quot;activated&quot; using the very rules you cite.Wands and Rings that cast spells use the rules for &quot;activation [of] ....spells cast from items&quot;.Scrolls use the specific (and different) rules for &quot;using&quot; and &quot;activating&quot; scrolls.The fact that scrolls are also items that cast spells falls under specific vs general.&nbsp; Scrolls use the specific rules for scrolls which supesede the the general rules for items that cast spells.Finally, I will note that Fast Hands does not mention &quot;activation&quot; or &quot;casting time&quot;.&nbsp; Fast Hands has the verbiage &quot;use&quot; which is also the wording for Spell Scrolls in the DMG.&nbsp; I think specifying &quot;use&quot; for Fast Hands and then specifying that verbiage again in the DMG section on spell scrolls is a deliberate and purposeful intent to let Thieves use scrolls with Fast Hands.&nbsp; There are other mechanics they could have put in the PHB for Fast Hands and other verbiage they could have put for scrolls in the DMG.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 9496132, member: 7030563"] The problem with this "OR" interpretation quoted on top is the specific rules you are referencing are for [I]"their activation" [/I]noted in red and underlined in your quote. The rules for items that spells are cast from are specifically for the "activation" of those items. If there in fact some items that require "activation" and other items that don't require "activation"; items that "[I]spells [are] cast from"[/I] fall into the category of requiring activation because spells cast from items [I]"use the following rules for their [U]activation[/U]" [/I] So items that cast spells from are in fact "activated" according to the wording in the DMG. They are "activated" using the very rules you cite. Wands and Rings that cast spells use the rules for [I]"activation [of] ....spells cast from items".[/I] Scrolls use the specific (and different) rules for "using" and "activating" scrolls. The fact that scrolls are also items that cast spells falls under specific vs general. Scrolls use the specific rules for scrolls which supesede the the general rules for items that cast spells. Finally, I will note that Fast Hands does not mention "activation" or "casting time". Fast Hands has the verbiage "use" which is also the wording for Spell Scrolls in the DMG. I think specifying "use" for Fast Hands and then specifying that verbiage again in the DMG section on spell scrolls is a deliberate and purposeful intent to let Thieves use scrolls with Fast Hands. There are other mechanics they could have put in the PHB for Fast Hands and other verbiage they could have put for scrolls in the DMG. [/QUOTE]

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