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<blockquote data-quote="Eric Olson1" data-source="post: 9497445" data-attributes="member: 6975382"><p>It is a tough job to describe something succinctly and have it mean everything you want. They can't just list the stuff that it can't do and have the text be easy to read.</p><p></p><p>Some of the current positions can be used to create cases that many would consider abusive. For example:</p><p>Scroll of the cantrip Thorn Whip. The reading the scroll allows the character to cast thorn whip, which takes an action. The thorn whip makes an attack using a finesse weapon. So this is a bonus action as a Thief, right? Finesse weapon attack qualifies for sneak attack damage. This follows the same logic as true-strike?</p><p></p><p>Since the scroll was just a magic item enabling the character to cast the spell (providing the material component - no spell slot is needed for cantrips, does not need the 'recipe' in the head, since the character probably knows the cantrip anyway)</p><p></p><p>Then this should work even better: (one-time cost/better to-hit)</p><p>Wand of the war caster. This item acts as a spell focus enabling the character to cast the Thorn whip cantrip (since it too, is a magic item providing the material component). We get pluses to the attack roll from the other wand ability. So this also qualifies as a bonus action (since it is a magic items that is used to cast a spell that takes an action).</p><p>This magic item is "used" in the same manner as a spell scroll.</p><p>--</p><p>Side note.. I do find the true-strike scrolls a little silly. The material component (the weapon) is "consumed" when the scroll is created. The spell makes the attack with the weapon used as the material component. Either this makes the spell not ever work (no fun) or it 'summons' the weapon that was consumed when the spell is cast and makes the attack with that weapon. I assume you keep dropping the old ones into a pile when you read new scrolls? As a DM... It would be memorable if players find a true strike scroll cast on a magical dagger that a wizard kept "hidden" in the scroll.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Eric Olson1, post: 9497445, member: 6975382"] It is a tough job to describe something succinctly and have it mean everything you want. They can't just list the stuff that it can't do and have the text be easy to read. Some of the current positions can be used to create cases that many would consider abusive. For example: Scroll of the cantrip Thorn Whip. The reading the scroll allows the character to cast thorn whip, which takes an action. The thorn whip makes an attack using a finesse weapon. So this is a bonus action as a Thief, right? Finesse weapon attack qualifies for sneak attack damage. This follows the same logic as true-strike? Since the scroll was just a magic item enabling the character to cast the spell (providing the material component - no spell slot is needed for cantrips, does not need the 'recipe' in the head, since the character probably knows the cantrip anyway) Then this should work even better: (one-time cost/better to-hit) Wand of the war caster. This item acts as a spell focus enabling the character to cast the Thorn whip cantrip (since it too, is a magic item providing the material component). We get pluses to the attack roll from the other wand ability. So this also qualifies as a bonus action (since it is a magic items that is used to cast a spell that takes an action). This magic item is "used" in the same manner as a spell scroll. -- Side note.. I do find the true-strike scrolls a little silly. The material component (the weapon) is "consumed" when the scroll is created. The spell makes the attack with the weapon used as the material component. Either this makes the spell not ever work (no fun) or it 'summons' the weapon that was consumed when the spell is cast and makes the attack with that weapon. I assume you keep dropping the old ones into a pile when you read new scrolls? As a DM... It would be memorable if players find a true strike scroll cast on a magical dagger that a wizard kept "hidden" in the scroll. [/QUOTE]
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