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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 5477629" data-attributes="member: 2011">Opps. You're right. I think I accidently gave the Thief +1 for Weapon Talent a level too early.+10 for the Thief yields 16.175 DPR. Still 4 points higher than the ranged Ranger and that slight gain disappears at level 2.Cunning Stalker is tougher for ranged Rangers since the foe has to be adjacent. It's good for melee Rangers.Hidden Sniper is situational. Concealment usually requires a special power or item, so it's really designed for Warlocks.Terrain Advantage is even more situational.At first level, the ranged Ranger is probably not going to take any of these compared to Greatbow and if he does, his DPR drops. He might not take any of them until level 6 or higher because there are so many other bread and butter feats that give him more bang for the buck.If the ranged Ranger could get CA every single round, his DPR would rise to 13.58125. A good reason to take Hidden Sniper if he could only find a way to get concealment (cover is easy, concealment usually takes a power or an item).We had a Thief in one of our campaigns for 3 levels (that campaign is on hold while we play a different one) and practically the only time that he did not have CA was when he was using an Action Point or an Opportunity Attack. In 3 levels, I think he did not have CA for his main attack once or twice at most.It's not unfair to give the Thief CA in the calculations because it is a 90% of the time class feature that the ranged Ranger does not have.CA does have to be considered for a melee Ranger. It still doesn't put him close to the Thief damage-wise until much higher level.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 5477629, member: 2011"] Opps. You're right. I think I accidently gave the Thief +1 for Weapon Talent a level too early. +10 for the Thief yields 16.175 DPR. Still 4 points higher than the ranged Ranger and that slight gain disappears at level 2. Cunning Stalker is tougher for ranged Rangers since the foe has to be adjacent. It's good for melee Rangers. Hidden Sniper is situational. Concealment usually requires a special power or item, so it's really designed for Warlocks. Terrain Advantage is even more situational. At first level, the ranged Ranger is probably not going to take any of these compared to Greatbow and if he does, his DPR drops. He might not take any of them until level 6 or higher because there are so many other bread and butter feats that give him more bang for the buck. If the ranged Ranger could get CA every single round, his DPR would rise to 13.58125. A good reason to take Hidden Sniper if he could only find a way to get concealment (cover is easy, concealment usually takes a power or an item). We had a Thief in one of our campaigns for 3 levels (that campaign is on hold while we play a different one) and practically the only time that he did not have CA was when he was using an Action Point or an Opportunity Attack. In 3 levels, I think he did not have CA for his main attack once or twice at most. It's not unfair to give the Thief CA in the calculations because it is a 90% of the time class feature that the ranged Ranger does not have. CA does have to be considered for a melee Ranger. It still doesn't put him close to the Thief damage-wise until much higher level. [/QUOTE]

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