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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 5482661" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>You're absolutely correct. I did have a brain fart, but not the one you think. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>The Hungry Spear weapon does not turn a Gouge into a Ranged Weapon.</p><p></p><p>It gives it the Heavy Thrown property. No more. No less.</p><p></p><p>It also gives it a range for that Heavy Thrown property since all Throw weapons have to have a range.</p><p></p><p>But, this does not turn a Melee Two Handed weapon into a Ranged weapon. It turns a Melee Two Handed weapon into a Melee Two Handed weapon with the Heavy Thrown property.</p><p></p><p>The Gouge becomes the equivalent of a Javelin with more damage. Every thrown weapon has a range, but throw weapon are not Ranged weapons.</p><p></p><p>This means that Twin Strike cannot be used at all with a Gouge. The Gouge is not a double weapon, so it cannot be used for melee. Twin Strike cannot be used as a Ranged Basic Attack, so it cannot be used with the Heavy Thrown property.</p><p></p><p>Now, there might be a feat that allows for this in some way. But, I do not know of one.</p><p></p><p>So, people are correct. The Hungry Gouge cannot be used with Twin Strike with Str. But, they are also incorrect. The Hungry Gouge cannot be used with Twin Strike with Dex either.</p><p></p><p>It's not a Ranged weapon.</p><p></p><p>It's a Melee weapon with the Heavy Thrown property that has a range associated with that property.</p><p></p><p>The build, at least at first level, is illegal.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 5482661, member: 2011"] You're absolutely correct. I did have a brain fart, but not the one you think. ;) The Hungry Spear weapon does not turn a Gouge into a Ranged Weapon. It gives it the Heavy Thrown property. No more. No less. It also gives it a range for that Heavy Thrown property since all Throw weapons have to have a range. But, this does not turn a Melee Two Handed weapon into a Ranged weapon. It turns a Melee Two Handed weapon into a Melee Two Handed weapon with the Heavy Thrown property. The Gouge becomes the equivalent of a Javelin with more damage. Every thrown weapon has a range, but throw weapon are not Ranged weapons. This means that Twin Strike cannot be used at all with a Gouge. The Gouge is not a double weapon, so it cannot be used for melee. Twin Strike cannot be used as a Ranged Basic Attack, so it cannot be used with the Heavy Thrown property. Now, there might be a feat that allows for this in some way. But, I do not know of one. So, people are correct. The Hungry Gouge cannot be used with Twin Strike with Str. But, they are also incorrect. The Hungry Gouge cannot be used with Twin Strike with Dex either. It's not a Ranged weapon. It's a Melee weapon with the Heavy Thrown property that has a range associated with that property. The build, at least at first level, is illegal. [/QUOTE]
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