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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 5482757" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>Yeah, I do have a problem with this type of ruling though.</p><p></p><p>First, it's not in the complied errata. If they are going to change the rules, I prefer that they be in one place.</p><p></p><p>Second, it's not what the rules state. The rules state:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not "after a ranged attack roll is resolved", "after a ranged attack is resolved". But, whether a DM rules it one way or the other (after the attack roll or after the entire attack), it still doesn't change the real rule here.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This doesn't say the same one can be used twice if magical. It doesn't say that if a magical one returns, it can be used in place of a different one. It says you need one weapon for each target.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I really don't have a problem with them ruling it the way they did in the FAQ (although not doing so would minimize stupid tricks like the Twin Strike Gouge), but putting it in the FAQ and not in an errata is annoying.</p><p></p><p></p><p>One other point on this. An Area attack is not a Ranged attack. Magical thrown weapons do not return back to the user's hand if used with an Area attack. They only do so for Ranged attacks (unless I am once again missing a rule somewhere). The FAQ response that you quoted states that because they return, they can be re-used. Except they don't return for Area Attacks. Whomever wrote that in the FAQ did not check the actual rule. And, you are extrapolating the invalid FAQ ruling to Ranged attacks. That's now quite kosher either.</p><p></p><p>The FAQ ignores the actual rule and you are extrapolating the FAQ.</p><p></p><p>Again, I have no problem if this is the intent. But, they need to fix it in the errata.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 5482757, member: 2011"] Yeah, I do have a problem with this type of ruling though. First, it's not in the complied errata. If they are going to change the rules, I prefer that they be in one place. Second, it's not what the rules state. The rules state: Not "after a ranged attack roll is resolved", "after a ranged attack is resolved". But, whether a DM rules it one way or the other (after the attack roll or after the entire attack), it still doesn't change the real rule here. This doesn't say the same one can be used twice if magical. It doesn't say that if a magical one returns, it can be used in place of a different one. It says you need one weapon for each target. I really don't have a problem with them ruling it the way they did in the FAQ (although not doing so would minimize stupid tricks like the Twin Strike Gouge), but putting it in the FAQ and not in an errata is annoying. One other point on this. An Area attack is not a Ranged attack. Magical thrown weapons do not return back to the user's hand if used with an Area attack. They only do so for Ranged attacks (unless I am once again missing a rule somewhere). The FAQ response that you quoted states that because they return, they can be re-used. Except they don't return for Area Attacks. Whomever wrote that in the FAQ did not check the actual rule. And, you are extrapolating the invalid FAQ ruling to Ranged attacks. That's now quite kosher either. The FAQ ignores the actual rule and you are extrapolating the FAQ. Again, I have no problem if this is the intent. But, they need to fix it in the errata. [/QUOTE]
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