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<blockquote data-quote="Beefermatic" data-source="post: 8790550" data-attributes="member: 6670757"><p>But having to pull a bunch of Deus Ex Machina shiit out to make it okay means by proxy it isn't okay. It can very easily be a party wipe via bullshiit. Like let's say the party consists of a fighter, a mage, a brawler and a rogue and this thing goes after the mage, which, why wouldn't it? Once that mage is downed, they're screwed. What can they do, destroy their weapons over it and deal unarmed attacks? This is a serious question. What could they do? It's unfair and unbalanced.</p><p></p><p>Okay let's stress test that. Let's apply it to a rat. Or a jackal or something. Something basic with a weak attack and no real special abilities. Without proper knowledge of what this thing is or how to fight it it could still easily defeat a party of 10th level characters.</p><p></p><p> It can disintegrate its way through any medium, it would likely be attacking at night or underground or in some kind of negatively aligned dark locale right? Unless they expose it and keep it in bright light, it will keep returning from the dead dealing permanent damage and Disintegration, and destroying the gear of any opponent it encounters. If the party lacks a mage or a viable mage equivalent (cleric paladin druid magus omdura), they're totally fuxked. A party of rogues, fighters, brawlers and rangers, totally screwed. It wouldn't matter what level really.</p><p></p><p>It can fly, effectively go invisible, regenerate, hit all touch attacks for at least 5d6 per swipe, and unless they figure out its weakness which unless their metagaming or happen to be a bard or something, they won't easily know, they're going to try different damage types not light or something random. Maybe they will but chances are they won't think bright light from a sunlight spell will do the trick, the sunlight spell doesn't hurt bodaks, doesn't hurt vampires, so why would they just assume it'll hurt this thing?</p><p></p><p>What it reminds me of, is the pixie, the basic pixie from the Bestiary or Monster Manual. They seem fairly harmless. Tinkerbell! They're only CR3 officially afterall but have constant improved invisibility, can fire magic arrows that can charm you, make you forget etc, have fast perfect flight, a damage reduction, a spell resistance, a decent ac, and can use permanent image in addition to a plethora of other abilities.</p><p></p><p>If you're not careful you can easily wipe your party with one without even trying.</p><p></p><p>That's the same issue with this, it's too strong for the level it's presented as.</p><p></p><p>If only one type of character build stands any chance of effectively fighting it, it's not fair.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Beefermatic, post: 8790550, member: 6670757"] But having to pull a bunch of Deus Ex Machina shiit out to make it okay means by proxy it isn't okay. It can very easily be a party wipe via bullshiit. Like let's say the party consists of a fighter, a mage, a brawler and a rogue and this thing goes after the mage, which, why wouldn't it? Once that mage is downed, they're screwed. What can they do, destroy their weapons over it and deal unarmed attacks? This is a serious question. What could they do? It's unfair and unbalanced. Okay let's stress test that. Let's apply it to a rat. Or a jackal or something. Something basic with a weak attack and no real special abilities. Without proper knowledge of what this thing is or how to fight it it could still easily defeat a party of 10th level characters. It can disintegrate its way through any medium, it would likely be attacking at night or underground or in some kind of negatively aligned dark locale right? Unless they expose it and keep it in bright light, it will keep returning from the dead dealing permanent damage and Disintegration, and destroying the gear of any opponent it encounters. If the party lacks a mage or a viable mage equivalent (cleric paladin druid magus omdura), they're totally fuxked. A party of rogues, fighters, brawlers and rangers, totally screwed. It wouldn't matter what level really. It can fly, effectively go invisible, regenerate, hit all touch attacks for at least 5d6 per swipe, and unless they figure out its weakness which unless their metagaming or happen to be a bard or something, they won't easily know, they're going to try different damage types not light or something random. Maybe they will but chances are they won't think bright light from a sunlight spell will do the trick, the sunlight spell doesn't hurt bodaks, doesn't hurt vampires, so why would they just assume it'll hurt this thing? What it reminds me of, is the pixie, the basic pixie from the Bestiary or Monster Manual. They seem fairly harmless. Tinkerbell! They're only CR3 officially afterall but have constant improved invisibility, can fire magic arrows that can charm you, make you forget etc, have fast perfect flight, a damage reduction, a spell resistance, a decent ac, and can use permanent image in addition to a plethora of other abilities. If you're not careful you can easily wipe your party with one without even trying. That's the same issue with this, it's too strong for the level it's presented as. If only one type of character build stands any chance of effectively fighting it, it's not fair. [/QUOTE]
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