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<blockquote data-quote="Minigiant" data-source="post: 9276000" data-attributes="member: 63508">We are talking about direct things.I'm talking about ability scores independent of class or race.Intelligence boosts Lore skills. That's it. A party tends to only need 1 maybe 2 loremasters.&nbsp; And Knowledge check are rarely vital to survival or success (A DM should never gate success behind a single check) so PCs can rely on the prof bonus from skills.In my current games, no one has CON under 12. And the people with 12 are all the ones who rolled bad.In PB, I find that most people save 5 or 7 of the 27 points for CONIn Rolling, they chuck their 2nd or 3rd best roll to CON.In Array, CON gets the13 or 14.Ran many a party of idiots with one genius. It's a meme of 5e.High or Good Constitution isn't necessary. But CON and DEX are the only scores with scaling usefullness for all PCs. So many PCs have 2-4 ability scores they have low use for and whose bonus become less impactful as you level. If you think the 5% accuracy of going to 16 with your prime doesn't matter, the 10% of boosting one of your 6 saves on a flat roll doesn't either.Especially with the Saving throw system being broke in 5e.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Minigiant, post: 9276000, member: 63508"] We are talking about direct things. I'm talking about ability scores independent of class or race. Intelligence boosts Lore skills. That's it. A party tends to only need 1 maybe 2 loremasters. And Knowledge check are rarely vital to survival or success (A DM should never gate success behind a single check) so PCs can rely on the prof bonus from skills. In my current games, no one has CON under 12. And the people with 12 are all the ones who rolled bad. In PB, I find that most people save 5 or 7 of the 27 points for CON In Rolling, they chuck their 2nd or 3rd best roll to CON. In Array, CON gets the13 or 14. Ran many a party of idiots with one genius. It's a meme of 5e. High or Good Constitution [B]isn't[/B] necessary. But CON and DEX are the only scores with scaling usefullness for all PCs. So many PCs have 2-4 ability scores they have low use for and whose bonus become less impactful as you level. If you think the 5% accuracy of going to 16 with your prime doesn't matter, the 10% of boosting one of your 6 saves on a flat roll doesn't either. Especially with the Saving throw system being broke in 5e. [/QUOTE]

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