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<blockquote data-quote="Traycor" data-source="post: 3944318" data-attributes="member: 54613"><p>This is the part that baffles me. I'm going to be paying for a monthly subscription. If the 3d models aren't built into the system, then what am I paying for?</p><p></p><p>[rant]</p><p>If I pay for an MMO, there is character creation, sure, but there are also worlds and creatures as well. With DDI it looks like all we are getting is character creation, plus a flat grid and some rule processors that can be made with excel spreadsheets. They won't even have "props" built into the system. It's just a grid. I could get more for my money buying an old copy of NWN for 20 bucks. That covers the grid, the rules, the models, the monsters, and it's free online to play.</p><p></p><p>I'm worried that Wizards is going to find that the standard customer has a much higher expectation than they think of what a monthly subscription should deliver. Even the Dragon/Dungeon content falls flat. I mean, we were getting these same types of articles for free on the web before. Now we have to pay for them just because a print magazine went away? Is Wizards not going to do articles on their website anymore for customers that don't subscribe?</p><p></p><p>Last I checked, WoW does articles on their websites for free, since well... they are making their money off the subscriptions already. But the DDI subscription isn't delivering very much at all. Just a grid and the promise of buying "virtual minis" that I won't even own since I need a subscription to keep using anyway. WoW made all their money because they were the first MMO to deliver "free" content. It was being paid for through subscriptions, but they weren't charging extra. Everyone else in the industry was charging for every new addition to their MMO games... and those player bases remained small and weak.</p><p></p><p>[/end rant]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Traycor, post: 3944318, member: 54613"] This is the part that baffles me. I'm going to be paying for a monthly subscription. If the 3d models aren't built into the system, then what am I paying for? [rant] If I pay for an MMO, there is character creation, sure, but there are also worlds and creatures as well. With DDI it looks like all we are getting is character creation, plus a flat grid and some rule processors that can be made with excel spreadsheets. They won't even have "props" built into the system. It's just a grid. I could get more for my money buying an old copy of NWN for 20 bucks. That covers the grid, the rules, the models, the monsters, and it's free online to play. I'm worried that Wizards is going to find that the standard customer has a much higher expectation than they think of what a monthly subscription should deliver. Even the Dragon/Dungeon content falls flat. I mean, we were getting these same types of articles for free on the web before. Now we have to pay for them just because a print magazine went away? Is Wizards not going to do articles on their website anymore for customers that don't subscribe? Last I checked, WoW does articles on their websites for free, since well... they are making their money off the subscriptions already. But the DDI subscription isn't delivering very much at all. Just a grid and the promise of buying "virtual minis" that I won't even own since I need a subscription to keep using anyway. WoW made all their money because they were the first MMO to deliver "free" content. It was being paid for through subscriptions, but they weren't charging extra. Everyone else in the industry was charging for every new addition to their MMO games... and those player bases remained small and weak. [/end rant] [/QUOTE]
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