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<blockquote data-quote="Novem5er" data-source="post: 3944614" data-attributes="member: 57859"><p>A yearly subscription to Dragon or Dungeon was around $45 each... for a total of $90. For both magazines, that equates to about $7.50 a month. Now, to be fair, that price was subsidized by advertisements in the magazine... something DDI won't have (I assume).</p><p></p><p>So lets trade no advertising for the fact that there is no physical printing or shipping of the product, and the fact that I need a PC to access the material. Even Steven.</p><p></p><p>So we're paying $7.50 a month for both DDI magazines. Assuming they will charge $15 for the whole package, what are we getting for the other $7.50 we are paying?</p><p></p><p>The DDI Tools, such as the character generator, the DM toolset (still not sure what this is), and the Gaming Table.</p><p></p><p>Let's take away the magazines for a moment. Would anyone pay $7.50 a month to have:</p><p></p><p>1)A character generator.. 3D image and stats.</p><p>2)DM tools... which is going to help making adventurers, which are supposed to be easier to create anyway (part of the lure of 4E in the first place!)</p><p>3) A flat battle grid, with flat monster tokens, flat terrain, no animation, and no built in mechanics... but with a VOIP chat system built in.</p><p></p><p>Let's look at D&D Online (the MMO).</p><p>For $15 a month, I get a character generator (for 1st level PCs) with 3D modeling.</p><p>A 3D environment with 3D monsters, animation, mechanics, and AI</p><p>300+ hours of adventure material, stories, etc.</p><p>A VOIP system.</p><p></p><p>So are the DDI tools (not counting the magazines) worth 50% of an MMO subscription?</p><p></p><p>I really hope they throw some more goods in the pile to really justify the cost... aka free 3D minis for Pelor's sake! Or they could dramatically lower the subscription price or make it free.</p><p></p><p>Yeah, how about that. Make is a free tool... but then charge us for minis? That's more appropriate than pay to play... and then pay to make the experience "better".</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Novem5er, post: 3944614, member: 57859"] A yearly subscription to Dragon or Dungeon was around $45 each... for a total of $90. For both magazines, that equates to about $7.50 a month. Now, to be fair, that price was subsidized by advertisements in the magazine... something DDI won't have (I assume). So lets trade no advertising for the fact that there is no physical printing or shipping of the product, and the fact that I need a PC to access the material. Even Steven. So we're paying $7.50 a month for both DDI magazines. Assuming they will charge $15 for the whole package, what are we getting for the other $7.50 we are paying? The DDI Tools, such as the character generator, the DM toolset (still not sure what this is), and the Gaming Table. Let's take away the magazines for a moment. Would anyone pay $7.50 a month to have: 1)A character generator.. 3D image and stats. 2)DM tools... which is going to help making adventurers, which are supposed to be easier to create anyway (part of the lure of 4E in the first place!) 3) A flat battle grid, with flat monster tokens, flat terrain, no animation, and no built in mechanics... but with a VOIP chat system built in. Let's look at D&D Online (the MMO). For $15 a month, I get a character generator (for 1st level PCs) with 3D modeling. A 3D environment with 3D monsters, animation, mechanics, and AI 300+ hours of adventure material, stories, etc. A VOIP system. So are the DDI tools (not counting the magazines) worth 50% of an MMO subscription? I really hope they throw some more goods in the pile to really justify the cost... aka free 3D minis for Pelor's sake! Or they could dramatically lower the subscription price or make it free. Yeah, how about that. Make is a free tool... but then charge us for minis? That's more appropriate than pay to play... and then pay to make the experience "better". [/QUOTE]
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