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<blockquote data-quote="MerricB" data-source="post: 9590236" data-attributes="member: 3586"><p>Problem is that it reads well, and then you try to unpack "find" and "line of sight". <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Three-Quarters Cover and no line-of-sight -- not really compatible.</p><p></p><p>Find -- what exactly does that mean?</p><p></p><p>Once you can determine how you want to handle it, it runs okay, but two DMs can be <em>very</em> different in how they handle it. I'm all up for DM judgment, but they've been very, very specific about what you need to become hidden, but the rules for losing that status are almost absent.</p><p></p><p>Consider how you'd rule the following situations:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The rogue stays behind 3/4 cover while moving and then shoots an enemy</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The rogue moves from 3/4 cover to 1/2 cover and then shoots an enemy</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The rogue moves from 3/4 cover to open ground but behind his allies (1/2 cover) and then shoots an enemy</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The rogue moves from 3/4 cover to 1/2 cover in a mist (lightly obscured)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The rogue moves from 3/4 cover to open ground in a mist (lightly obscured)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The rogue moves from 3/4 cover to open ground with no cover</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The rogue hides behind 3/4 cover with an enemy who has cast See Invisibility nearby</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The rogue hides behind 3/4 cover with a Stealth roll of 15 with a enemy dragon with a Passive Perception of 25 nearby</li> </ul><p></p><p>Think about these situations, and think about what rules apply. Do you think the rules are stated in an obvious manner, or require a lot of flipping through the books to find what applies? Or are they very reliant on DM rulings?</p><p></p><p>Also: try to do that ONLY referencing 2024 books! It's very easy to get caught up with what previous versions said. (I've played WAY too many different versions of D&D and PF, so I've got a lot of previous rules confusing me!)</p><p></p><p>Cheers!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MerricB, post: 9590236, member: 3586"] Problem is that it reads well, and then you try to unpack "find" and "line of sight". :) Three-Quarters Cover and no line-of-sight -- not really compatible. Find -- what exactly does that mean? Once you can determine how you want to handle it, it runs okay, but two DMs can be [I]very[/I] different in how they handle it. I'm all up for DM judgment, but they've been very, very specific about what you need to become hidden, but the rules for losing that status are almost absent. Consider how you'd rule the following situations: [LIST] [*]The rogue stays behind 3/4 cover while moving and then shoots an enemy [*]The rogue moves from 3/4 cover to 1/2 cover and then shoots an enemy [*]The rogue moves from 3/4 cover to open ground but behind his allies (1/2 cover) and then shoots an enemy [*]The rogue moves from 3/4 cover to 1/2 cover in a mist (lightly obscured) [*]The rogue moves from 3/4 cover to open ground in a mist (lightly obscured) [*]The rogue moves from 3/4 cover to open ground with no cover [*]The rogue hides behind 3/4 cover with an enemy who has cast See Invisibility nearby [*]The rogue hides behind 3/4 cover with a Stealth roll of 15 with a enemy dragon with a Passive Perception of 25 nearby [/LIST] Think about these situations, and think about what rules apply. Do you think the rules are stated in an obvious manner, or require a lot of flipping through the books to find what applies? Or are they very reliant on DM rulings? Also: try to do that ONLY referencing 2024 books! It's very easy to get caught up with what previous versions said. (I've played WAY too many different versions of D&D and PF, so I've got a lot of previous rules confusing me!) Cheers! [/QUOTE]
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