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<blockquote data-quote="ezo" data-source="post: 9590240" data-attributes="member: 7037866">Since I am not that familiar with the Stealth rules in 2024, but in reading them a bit, I find myself in this discussion.An enemy sees my rogue moves behind a large, wide pillar (say 10 feet). So now he has Total Cover and is out of line of sight, attempts to Hide using Cunning Action, and succeeds against the DC 15 Dexterity (Stealth) check with a total 18. He now has the Invisible condition.He then moves out from behind the pillar to engage his enemy who has a Passive Perception of 12. Since the 18 beats the Passive Perception of the enemy, it doesn't &quot;find&quot; my rogue, so the Invisible condition doesn't end. He then uses his Action to Attack the enemy with Advantage, gaining Sneak Attack on a hit.Now, am I reading all that correctly? Is there some other rule elsewhere I am missing? I realize it doesn't make sense as written, just trying to see if I have the technical reading correct.My issues with Hide:if you can see a creature, you can discern whether it can see you.&nbsp; Why? How do you know? You are trying to Hide, right? Maybe it doesn't see you, or it does and is pretending not to. To assume you automatically know it can see you makes no sense. You are either Heavily Obscured or behind 3/4 or Total Cover.Or was this phrase simply put there to let you know if you are in an enemy's line of sight???an enemy finds you. This should include&nbsp; &quot;or you move into an enemy's line of sight&quot;.My issues with Invisible:I hate that Invisible is a &quot;condition&quot; because every other condition is negative and/or has detrimental consequences. It bothers me in 2014 and it still bothers me now.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ezo, post: 9590240, member: 7037866"] Since I am not that familiar with the Stealth rules in 2024, but in reading them a bit, I find myself in this discussion. [I]An enemy sees my rogue moves behind a large, wide pillar (say 10 feet). So now he has Total Cover and is out of line of sight, attempts to Hide using Cunning Action, and succeeds against the DC 15 Dexterity (Stealth) check with a total 18. He now has the Invisible condition. He then moves out from behind the pillar to engage his enemy who has a Passive Perception of 12. Since the 18 beats the Passive Perception of the enemy, it doesn't "find" my rogue, so the Invisible condition doesn't end. He then uses his Action to Attack the enemy with Advantage, gaining Sneak Attack on a hit.[/I] Now, am I reading all that correctly? Is there some other rule elsewhere I am missing? I realize it doesn't make sense as written, just trying to see if I have the technical reading correct. My issues with Hide: [I]if you can see a creature, you can discern whether it can see you.[/I] Why? How do you know? You are trying to Hide, right? Maybe it doesn't see you, or it does and is pretending not to. To assume you automatically know it can see you makes no sense. You are either Heavily Obscured or behind 3/4 or Total Cover. Or was this phrase simply put there to let you know if you are in an enemy's line of sight??? [I]an enemy finds you.[/I] This should include "or you move into an enemy's line of sight". My issues with Invisible: I hate that Invisible is a "condition" because every other condition is negative and/or has detrimental consequences. It bothers me in 2014 and it still bothers me now. [/QUOTE]

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