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<blockquote data-quote="MerricB" data-source="post: 9592440" data-attributes="member: 3586"><p>Did you notice that Mike Mearls agreed with the reading that the new Invisibility spell as written doesn't actually make you invisible (as in, fading from sight, etc.)?</p><p></p><p>Incidentally, Legacy definition of "invisible":</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">An invisible creature is impossible to see without the aid of magic or a special sense. For the purpose of hiding, the creature is <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/basic-rules/adventuring#VisionandLight" target="_blank">heavily obscured</a>. The creature's location can be detected by any noise it makes or any tracks it leaves.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Attack rolls against the creature have <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/basic-rules/using-ability-scores#AdvantageandDisadvantage" target="_blank">disadvantage</a>, and the creature's attack rolls have <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/basic-rules/using-ability-scores#AdvantageandDisadvantage" target="_blank">advantage</a>.</li> </ul><p>Current definition of "invisible"</p><p></p><p><strong><em>Surprise.</em></strong> If you’re Invisible when you roll <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/free-rules/rules-glossary#Initiative" target="_blank">Initiative</a>, you have <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/free-rules/rules-glossary#Advantage" target="_blank">Advantage</a> on the roll.</p><p><strong><em>Concealed.</em></strong> You aren’t affected by any effect that requires its target to be seen unless the effect’s creator can somehow see you. Any equipment you are wearing or carrying is also concealed.</p><p><strong><em>Attacks Affected.</em></strong> Attack rolls against you have <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/free-rules/rules-glossary#Disadvantage" target="_blank">Disadvantage</a>, and your attack rolls have Advantage. If a creature can somehow see you, you don’t gain this benefit against that creature.</p><p></p><p>I don't think we'd have all these problems with how it worked if the Hide action hadn't <em>also</em> made you "Invisible". (Because, when you're hidden, you're still physically visible). And so when two things both make you "Invisible", you rather need something more to distinguish what they mean.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MerricB, post: 9592440, member: 3586"] Did you notice that Mike Mearls agreed with the reading that the new Invisibility spell as written doesn't actually make you invisible (as in, fading from sight, etc.)? Incidentally, Legacy definition of "invisible": [LIST] [*]An invisible creature is impossible to see without the aid of magic or a special sense. For the purpose of hiding, the creature is [URL='https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/basic-rules/adventuring#VisionandLight']heavily obscured[/URL]. The creature's location can be detected by any noise it makes or any tracks it leaves. [*]Attack rolls against the creature have [URL='https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/basic-rules/using-ability-scores#AdvantageandDisadvantage']disadvantage[/URL], and the creature's attack rolls have [URL='https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/basic-rules/using-ability-scores#AdvantageandDisadvantage']advantage[/URL]. [/LIST] Current definition of "invisible" [B][I]Surprise.[/I][/B] If you’re Invisible when you roll [URL='https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/free-rules/rules-glossary#Initiative']Initiative[/URL], you have [URL='https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/free-rules/rules-glossary#Advantage']Advantage[/URL] on the roll. [B][I]Concealed.[/I][/B] You aren’t affected by any effect that requires its target to be seen unless the effect’s creator can somehow see you. Any equipment you are wearing or carrying is also concealed. [B][I]Attacks Affected.[/I][/B] Attack rolls against you have [URL='https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/free-rules/rules-glossary#Disadvantage']Disadvantage[/URL], and your attack rolls have Advantage. If a creature can somehow see you, you don’t gain this benefit against that creature. I don't think we'd have all these problems with how it worked if the Hide action hadn't [I]also[/I] made you "Invisible". (Because, when you're hidden, you're still physically visible). And so when two things both make you "Invisible", you rather need something more to distinguish what they mean. [/QUOTE]
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