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<blockquote data-quote="ezo" data-source="post: 9592558" data-attributes="member: 7037866">Well, IMO you just make the check and that is the total. The DC 15 part is nonsense.Of course, if you are behind a rock, you're already out of line of sight, and hidden by default. The Stealth check is really do determine if they hear you since they cannot possibly see you.I've come to the sad conclusion that Stealth in 5E is literally useless, or at least pointless. You cannot do it if you can be seen, and being Heavily Obscured means you cannot be seen, but if you cannot be seen, why are you hiding?Total Cover breaks line of sight, so you cannot be seen, so like heavily obscured... why are you hiding? Then there are cases like wall of force, which provides total cover, so you can hide, but the wall is invisible, so you can be seen--and thus you cannot hide after all.Three-Quarters Cover doesn't break line of sight, so you're seen. Can't hide.Trust me, the computer can just as easily determine the maximum passive score to set the DC, with lightning speed.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ezo, post: 9592558, member: 7037866"] Well, IMO you just make the check and that is the total. The DC 15 part is nonsense. Of course, if you are behind a rock, you're already out of line of sight, and hidden by default. The Stealth check is really do determine if they [I]hear[/I] you since they cannot possibly see you. [B]I've come to the sad conclusion that Stealth in 5E is literally useless, or at least pointless. [/B] You cannot do it if you can be seen, and being Heavily Obscured means you cannot be seen, but if you cannot be seen, why are you hiding? Total Cover breaks line of sight, so you cannot be seen, so like heavily obscured... why are you hiding? Then there are cases like [I]wall of force[/I], which provides total cover, so you can hide, but the wall is invisible, so you can be seen--and thus you cannot hide after all. Three-Quarters Cover doesn't break line of sight, so you're seen. Can't hide. Trust me, the computer can just as easily determine the maximum passive score to set the DC, with lightning speed. [/QUOTE]

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