Ties that Bind OOC - Silverymoon
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Rystil Arden
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She's suspicious about what he's going to do if she declines his offer, since the letter implies she shouldn't be coming at all unless she has decided to do 'it' without hearing what it is. And then when it burned up even though it didn't have any information that could possibly be sensitive, that made her more suspicious that she might be 'silenced'gabrion said:Lol...well i'll be sure to keep all that in mind when the friendly mage begins his attack.
Just to be sure Rystil, is Cassandra using true seeing to see through the others' disguises? If so, did you call that out (cause I missed if you did). It's not a big deal, but I was just a little unsure about how you saw through their disguises (I'm obviously still getting used to all of the characters and their abilities).
Rystil Arden
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Yes, True Seeing is part of Cassandra's defensive suite. She also has access to Touchsight, which lets her automatically find anything, even invisible things, without needing to make a Spot or Listen check.gabrion said:
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Oh, it’s not a problem; I just want to make sure she isn’t a paladin tilting at windmills. After all, Taern has been pretty straightforward and honest about the situation, but she seems to be contrary just because he is an authority figure. I guess I need to know if she is following an ideal of freedom on a utilitarian basis, or on a more subjective one (ie is she concerned more with long term freedom of lots of people, or is she easily distracted by particular situations that don’t match her ideal of freedom)?
Basically I need to know what Cassandra's motivations are, and how you think of her code as a PoF. Does she automatically assume Taern is a tyrant because he is an official? Does she weigh relative goods when thinking of freedom (ie the freedom that comes with good and fair governement in the north vs. Harbromm's freedom to not work with the other cities)? Ya, pretty much I just need to know how you plan to play off her paladin of freedom side.
Also keep in mind that no one hid the relative danger from you in the beginning, so I'm not sure why Cassandra is treating this like some kind of trap. Taern told you that your reason for being here was largely because he needed capable people to do a dangerous job. When he first told you about the job he even said…
I do hope Cassandra isn't being too problematic here, but she is a Paladin, so she has a Code of Conduct to uphold for the cause of freedom and anti-traditionalism
Oh, it’s not a problem; I just want to make sure she isn’t a paladin tilting at windmills. After all, Taern has been pretty straightforward and honest about the situation, but she seems to be contrary just because he is an authority figure. I guess I need to know if she is following an ideal of freedom on a utilitarian basis, or on a more subjective one (ie is she concerned more with long term freedom of lots of people, or is she easily distracted by particular situations that don’t match her ideal of freedom)?
Basically I need to know what Cassandra's motivations are, and how you think of her code as a PoF. Does she automatically assume Taern is a tyrant because he is an official? Does she weigh relative goods when thinking of freedom (ie the freedom that comes with good and fair governement in the north vs. Harbromm's freedom to not work with the other cities)? Ya, pretty much I just need to know how you plan to play off her paladin of freedom side.
Also keep in mind that no one hid the relative danger from you in the beginning, so I'm not sure why Cassandra is treating this like some kind of trap. Taern told you that your reason for being here was largely because he needed capable people to do a dangerous job. When he first told you about the job he even said…
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Rystil Arden
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I was actually counting on the fact that she didn't know the second bit of information that you gave in that knowledge check. As for the rest of it--she has her reasons, and it is not quite what it seems at face value, you'll see
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I was actually counting on the fact that she didn't know the second bit of information that you gave in that knowledge check. As for the rest of it--she has her reasons, and it is not quite what it seems at face value, you'll see
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Thinking back, I should have made it more clear to begin with, but most people are aware of the League of Silver Marches having a good rep. I don't mind people voluntarily failing knowledge checks though (I'm not gonna force your character to know something), I just wanted to make sure you were aware of what Cassandra would *probably* know. As for her reasons, I've no doubt there is something to it.
If you do wonder at any time what the atmosphere of a place is, or the general rep or anything like that, don't hesitate to ask. Things like that are especially important to characters with specific codes and I don't always do the best job of explaining them.[/sblock]
Rystil Arden said:I was actually counting on the fact that she didn't know the second bit of information that you gave in that knowledge check. As for the rest of it--she has her reasons, and it is not quite what it seems at face value, you'll see
Thinking back, I should have made it more clear to begin with, but most people are aware of the League of Silver Marches having a good rep. I don't mind people voluntarily failing knowledge checks though (I'm not gonna force your character to know something), I just wanted to make sure you were aware of what Cassandra would *probably* know. As for her reasons, I've no doubt there is something to it.
If you do wonder at any time what the atmosphere of a place is, or the general rep or anything like that, don't hesitate to ask. Things like that are especially important to characters with specific codes and I don't always do the best job of explaining them.[/sblock]
Rystil Arden
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So I was looking at this part again. She sees no reason to force Harbromm to work with the other cities, though she does think that he should be engaging in free trade.
She also believes that disallowing self-determination is no better than slavery and is hypocritical if called for in the name of good. If the dwarven people all voted against it, she would let it be.
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So I was looking at this part again. She sees no reason to force Harbromm to work with the other cities, though she does think that he should be engaging in free trade.
She also believes that disallowing self-determination is no better than slavery and is hypocritical if called for in the name of good. If the dwarven people all voted against it, she would let it be.
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I think this is a point that needs clarification. There really isn't much voting going on anywhere as in this game atmosphere. I think the problem is thinking of a paladin of freedom from a modern liberal viewpoint, when in fact the landscape looks much different in the game world. Throughout this game Cassandra will probably never encounter a governmental system that allows true freedom in the modern sense. Instead, her choices will always be to between something that is better and something that is worse. In this case Taern has told her what the League of Silver Marches stands for, and having lived in the north for some time she would most likely be aware of this.
I guess what I'm wondering is why exactly she is so against the idea of reuniting the League? Does she have any kind of experience in her past with a government that espoused ideals closer to her own than the Silver Marches? If not (which I'm guessing is the case), then she would have to be an extreme contrarian to oppose helping the Sliver Marches so fiercely. Right now she is being offered a choice between bad (fighting and instability in the north that will leave little opportunity for people to act on their own wills) or pretty good but not perfect (Silver Marches offering people defense while allowing them to pursue happiness in the way they see fit) and she seems to be opposing the latter simply because it isn't perfect. If I'm misunderstanding, feel free to explain how exactly Cassandra is viewing the situation.[/sblock]
Rystil Arden said:
I think this is a point that needs clarification. There really isn't much voting going on anywhere as in this game atmosphere. I think the problem is thinking of a paladin of freedom from a modern liberal viewpoint, when in fact the landscape looks much different in the game world. Throughout this game Cassandra will probably never encounter a governmental system that allows true freedom in the modern sense. Instead, her choices will always be to between something that is better and something that is worse. In this case Taern has told her what the League of Silver Marches stands for, and having lived in the north for some time she would most likely be aware of this.
I guess what I'm wondering is why exactly she is so against the idea of reuniting the League? Does she have any kind of experience in her past with a government that espoused ideals closer to her own than the Silver Marches? If not (which I'm guessing is the case), then she would have to be an extreme contrarian to oppose helping the Sliver Marches so fiercely. Right now she is being offered a choice between bad (fighting and instability in the north that will leave little opportunity for people to act on their own wills) or pretty good but not perfect (Silver Marches offering people defense while allowing them to pursue happiness in the way they see fit) and she seems to be opposing the latter simply because it isn't perfect. If I'm misunderstanding, feel free to explain how exactly Cassandra is viewing the situation.[/sblock]
Rystil Arden
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Oh, Cassandra doesn't oppose reuniting the League. It isn't against her ideals. However, it also isn't for them. Cassandra wants to help people who are oppressed by tyranny, and since there's nobody being oppressed here either way, she feels that this isn't what she should be doing--not to say she thinks she should sabotage it, just that it would be better for her to do something else that involves freedom, since nobody's going to be any more or less free either way, as opposed to (random example) if she broke out slaves in Thay. She doesn't have a hook--a reason to become a lackey to this organisation when she could be doing solitary acts freedom and make her own decisions about what to do. If you'd like, I could write one in if you want help hooking her in.
As for what she's been saying, she actually doesn't believe most of it--she's just trying to get the measure of the other three by using Sense Motive to see how they respond to wild comments that she makes. If they think she's just being stupid and don't realise this, it's an added bonus.
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Well, I was pretty sure they wouldn't get to vote, but if they did, she would leave them alone. Letting each person have a voice is not so modern a concept, though.
Oh, Cassandra doesn't oppose reuniting the League. It isn't against her ideals. However, it also isn't for them. Cassandra wants to help people who are oppressed by tyranny, and since there's nobody being oppressed here either way, she feels that this isn't what she should be doing--not to say she thinks she should sabotage it, just that it would be better for her to do something else that involves freedom, since nobody's going to be any more or less free either way, as opposed to (random example) if she broke out slaves in Thay. She doesn't have a hook--a reason to become a lackey to this organisation when she could be doing solitary acts freedom and make her own decisions about what to do. If you'd like, I could write one in if you want help hooking her in.
As for what she's been saying, she actually doesn't believe most of it--she's just trying to get the measure of the other three by using Sense Motive to see how they respond to wild comments that she makes. If they think she's just being stupid and don't realise this, it's an added bonus.
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