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<blockquote data-quote="Sadrik" data-source="post: 6138826" data-attributes="member: 14506">Ravenloft adventures and several other 2e products would have you make a Wisdom check to wake up, it was already established at that point that WIS was attributed to waking up and sensing the world around you. Note ability checks were roll under your stat.In 1e we used for perception, average your INT and WIS and roll under. Though in 1e, there were other rules we simply did not use, 1 in 6 to find stuff was too difficult and then some classes and races had special rules for surprise which is also associated with awareness.I am for full conversion of Wisdom to an awareness perception stat in 5e. It was ok to have overlapping stats in the other editions but now with saves the way they are I think it is very important that they be delineated very clearly. Wisdom is not it is a catchall, it has a bunch of weird stuff thrown in and swirled around - some knowledges, some perception, then willpower, then divine casting, really? That is what wisdom is?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sadrik, post: 6138826, member: 14506"] Ravenloft adventures and several other 2e products would have you make a Wisdom check to wake up, it was already established at that point that WIS was attributed to waking up and sensing the world around you. Note ability checks were roll under your stat. In 1e we used for perception, average your INT and WIS and roll under. Though in 1e, there were other rules we simply did not use, 1 in 6 to find stuff was too difficult and then some classes and races had special rules for surprise which is also associated with awareness. I am for full conversion of Wisdom to an awareness perception stat in 5e. It was ok to have overlapping stats in the other editions but now with saves the way they are I think it is very important that they be delineated very clearly. Wisdom is not it is a catchall, it has a bunch of weird stuff thrown in and swirled around - some knowledges, some perception, then willpower, then divine casting, really? That is what wisdom is? [/QUOTE]

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