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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DammitVictor" data-source="post: 7915586" data-attributes="member: 6750908">I made a single-class character once, in AD&D; it was my very first Player Character ever, and my Dungeon Master graciously allowed me to overlook some of the finer points of the rules to create an Elf Monk.I made a single-class character once. The biggest reason I skipped 4e was that it didn't have a "proper" multiclassing system until PHB3-- long after Pathfinder had proved a viable alternative-- and 5e's reversion to 3e's multiclassing rules is one of my biggest complaints about it. I'm not interested in trying to grind that axe right now, except to note that the problems most people seem to have with multiclassing are problems with that system and wouldn't apply to AD&D, Orcs of Thar, Gestalt, 4e (feat) or 4e (hybrid) systems.I don't have anything useful to comment, except that I like this. It's a meaningful restriction that ties class advancement to the original character concept-- unless, of course, that concept changes within the narrative.It's a lot more than a bit too restrictive-- I'm not as familiar with 5e as I am with 3.X/PF, admittedly, but I cannot think of a single combination of two PHB classes and subclasses that would be viable past 6th level with these rules. (Except, maybe, Paladin/Warlock, which everyone seems to agree is a bad thing.)I mean, I think we can all agree that this is the primary kind of multiclassing that we want in our games, and that we want the rules to support-- but they really just don't work that way without extensive house-ruling.I've long considered the possibility of a feat-based multiclassing system in 3.X-- like a hybrid between 3.X multiclassing (with an initial feat cost) and Pathfinder's Variant Multiclassing.It isn't enough to restrict the kinds of multiclassing we don't want. If we want players to multiclass in "acceptable" fashion, we also have to make the acceptable kinds of multiclassing mechanically viable.This? This is golden. The only thing I would suggest is that instead of the mininum being 3 levels, it is some reasonable fraction of your character level-- say 1/4 or 1/5-- so that multiclassing becomes an ongoing cost throughout the character's career.Say... maybe it costs one (half-)feat to multiclass, with the above restriction, and then a second feat that provides a sort of "multige" benefit like the theurge classes from 3.5?Reminiscent of AD&D, where classes were grouped into categories-- Warrior, Rogue, Priest, Mage, and Psionicist-- and valid multiclass combinations couldn't include more than one class from the same category.It's racial level limits all over again. The capstones are great if you're assuming the game's going to hit 20... but games rarely do and even if they do hit it eventually, it's a long way away for most of it.SpyCraft handled this by giving each class a unique ability that was only granted to characters who took that class at first level.</blockquote>

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