D&D General To me, paladins are not gloryhounds

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In that they use their strength wisely;
So, paladins ===> str x Wis

So who does behave like a gloryhounds ?
A class whose name is courtisan ( perhaps called courtier in English )

Courtisan ===> str x cha

 

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Now, is the combo Dex x Wis a relative of chess-player ( moving pieces wisely )
Traditionally this combo is for the Monk ...

 

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If we go that way, then
Brutes ===> str x Dex ( the art of moving dumbbells )

 

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( Presumably the illusionist uses Int x Con )

 

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Humbleness relates the link in between Wis and Cha;
So what class uses humbleness?
Err,,, something like the paladin ...

 

[CreamCloud0]

When have paladins been depicted as ‘showboating’? None that I’m intimately familiar with, the paladin’s use of CHA is typically depicted as force of personality, and for that matter I don’t think their WIS is ‘fighting smart’ so much as it does their spiritual enlightenment and mental fortitude.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Other than the Oath of Glory, there's nothing in the rules that pushes paladins to act like gloryhounds.

That said, there are plenty of examples of knights in history, legend and fiction of them wanting fame and glory. The Grail Quest, for many of the knights, was about getting glory for themselves. Percival succeeded where others failed in part because he wasn't interested in such things.

In any case, I don't think paladins -- even traditional Lawful Good ones -- should all behave identically. Sir Galahad and Uther Lightbringer are both Lawful Good paladins, but no one would confuse one for the other.

 

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When have paladins been depicted as ‘showboating’? None that I’m intimately familiar with, the paladin’s use of CHA is typically depicted as force of personality, and for that matter I don’t think their WIS is ‘fighting smart’ so much as it does their spiritual enlightenment and mental fortitude.

Yes it is located in 1st Ed UA Cavalier where they like beautiful armour ( or the like)

 

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When have paladins been depicted as ‘showboating’? None that I’m intimately familiar with, the paladin’s use of CHA is typically depicted as force of personality, and for that matter I don’t think their WIS is ‘fighting smart’ so much as it does their spiritual enlightenment and mental fortitude.

Note that smart is not wise

 

[CreamCloud0]

Yes it is located in 1st Ed UA Cavalier where they like beautiful armour ( or the like)

1st edition? Then surely by the fact that you need to reach so far back to an apparently one-time trait that hasn’t reoccured since implies that showboating isn’t a significant or even minor facet of the current paladin concept and hasn’t been such for a while. (I am not a lore expert I barely know 5e lore, correct me if I’m wrong here and the trait has been reoccurring)

Note that smart is not wise

I never said it was, I only mentioned paladins being wise/spiritual as opposed to ‘fighting smart’ as I thought paladins fighting smart is what you were saying with this initial line

In that they use their strength wisely;
So, paladins ===> str x Wis