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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 8510824" data-attributes="member: 87792">groansHonestly the combination of Neo-Trad GM and OC players is what I've been seeing as the largest group for as long as I've had much to do with the wider RPG community (i.e. since the 90s in my case). The problem is that there has historically been some truly bad advice for this.D&D pulled that audience in massively with the Dragonlance saga and novels in the 80s and playing through such an epic scripted set of nonsense but in the 90s White Wolf were, in part, able to challenge D&D because "Angsty superpowered vampires" appealed massively to the OC crowd. Of course I could say things about Storyteller as a system and in specific the advice given to Storytellers. For that matter the Big Model is largely irrelevant to Storygames (it became a model big enough to explain everything including impossibilities). Storygames grew out, more than anything, of the impulse "We want to do what White Wolf promises but is unable to deliver on; the biggest thing they get wrong is the role of the Storyteller and the second is expecting indefinite length to stories as not everything should be a soap opera".To quote D. Vincent Baker "Treat your NPCs like stolen cars". Soft trad GMs can get on really well with OC players as long as they remember "Be a fan of the player characters" (more Vincent Baker advice - and something Matt Mercer is excellent at) and remember the PCs are the stars of the show. And Soft Classic DMs can get on really well with OC players; when do you get a better chance to really see who your character is than when they're put through hell and have to decide what to do without knowing they'll survive? (This depends on the player).When I refer to soft I'm not referring to levels of difficulty. If a trad GM sticks to Their Vision and Their Story at the obvious expense of the PCs they'll lose the reason the OC players are playing. And OC gamers are often there  to see their characters challenged (and sometimes put through hell) but they mostly aren't here for number crunching let alone knowing their encumbrance to the nearest copper piece.And now I come to think about it 5e works really well for OC players. You've got multi layered archetypes, and there aren't too many to remember but the subclasses work really well for further diversification and making your OC feel distinctive.</blockquote>

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