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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 4455633" data-attributes="member: 1656">Discussion with CustServ on the matter:So, if I understand him right, 'vanilla' ongoing damage of a certain type rolls into a single effect that a single save can end.  It doesn't matter how many "Ongoing Poison X, save ends" you get hit with, you take damage equal to the highest value of X, and a single successful save removes Ongoing Poison from your character.But as soon as the ongoing damage is no longer vanilla - there's a modifier, or it's part of a dual condition, or whatever, it needs to be saved against separately.  So our PC in the second example could make his save at -2 against the ongoing poison 5, and make his save against the poisoned-and-dazed, but if he fails the third save, he's still weakened and taking 10 ongoing poison damage.I don't like the lack of consistency there.-Hyp.</blockquote>