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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Warbridge" data-source="post: 4185158" data-attributes="member: 63977">You sir are correct, that is a long run.Now if we can find someone that predates me I wouldn't feel so damn old.   <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> The problem with looking at the morality of vampires as the litmus for good or evil is that there are plenty of apologist arguments for what they do to live.  We don't walk in their shoes, so we can't understand their circumstances we can only weigh them based on our own moral compass.  The analogy of being truly hungry and needing to do something deplorable to survive is a good one.  Thankfully I have not had to do that myself, but we could look at different groups which have been forced into similar predicaments: the soccer team that crashed in the mountains forced to eat the bodies of their friends who died, or the Donner party are good examples.  Are they evil?  No, they just did what they needed to to survive.  They did not eat the living though.  That's where the litmus paper turns a bright vivid color.  Take another semi-real world example, if a person commits murder and theft then claims they were starving in front of the jury, they will still go to prison.  Imagine what happens if they killed the victim and ate them instead of stealing food.It's true there are some vampires that will avoid taking life, and that's commendable given their circumstances.  They are the exception though, not the rule.  To the less conscientious vampires, people are simply food.  They look at us like we look at a cow when we're hungry.  Oh look, steak on the hoof!  There's your lesson on nature: they are the top predator of the food chain in that dynamic instead of us.  Whoever is at the top of the foodchain generally get carte blanche on the moral issues; it's exactly what we do to justify how we treat animals raied for foodstock or killed for fur or other commercial reasons.No worries, Ruthia.  No one's out to get you.  We're just having a friendly debate about good and evil in a fantasy game.  Have your opinion and stick to your crossbows or whatever you favor.  Personally, I remain steadfastly against the dead killing the living.  It sets a bad precendent: there are more of them than there are of us and being outnumbered is trouble we don't want.  Mostly I just despise the undead...and boy bands...stupid people...work...Think of me as an equal opportunity despiser.</blockquote>

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