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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Willie the Duck" data-source="post: 6927333" data-attributes="member: 6799660">To be honest, I'm not sure there is 'a' or 'the' bladesinger feel. I'm pretty sure that the Bladesinger concept is one of those things that is mostly made up by its' own fanbase because every actual incarnation has been problematic.Bladesinger started as a kit from the Complete Book of Elves in 2e. What most people remember about it is <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">It was iconic as an example of CBoE giving elves more powers for no particular reason except that elves are awesome</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">It balanced rule benefits with roleplay penalties, which people apparently hate.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">While not exactly overpowered (because it is a fighter-mage kit, and f-ms are not all that awesome in 2e), it was strictly better than other f-ms in every way</li> </ul>In 3e, Bladesingers were a gish PrC that I never remember the OP boards every including in gish buildsI'm not familiar enough with 4e, but my understanding is that Bladesingers were sold as controllers, but ended up as strikers.So it sounds like in each incarnation, people have "loved the idea of" the bladesinger, but either hated the outcome or just expected something different from what they got. I guess it doesn't surprise me that everyone's expectations haven't been met.Back to my fraction analogy--I think there absolutely should be an arcane 50:50 class, but I have no reason to think that it has to be called bladesinger. Duskblade, hexblade, spellsword if it hasn't been used.</blockquote>

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