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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 6927359" data-attributes="member: 6801228">So... I'm away from my books currently, but how is a straight sword and board fighter getting all those extra dice? I get the 1d8+5 x2 is the 2 main attacksThen we have a floating 1d8A floating 1d8+int (or is that a 1d8 with Int to a second target?)And a 2d8 somtimes?Which reads to me like they are somehow hitting 5 different attacks in one turn... which is possible I suppose, but misses the pointMy best guess is that you are allowing cantrips into this somehow. Am I forgetting a Eldritch knight ability that allows them to cantrip as a bonus action by level 8? I guess Warcaster gets around the fact they are holding a shield in the off-hand. Here is the point I was making though.They said 1d8+5 twice is bad damage for a frontline character. This was not phrased in that it is bad for a frontline using daily resources, or activating class specific abilites, simply that 1d8+5 is not good basic attack damage. Now, I might have misinterpreted that statement, but looking at the fighter who does not use 2-handed weapons, with just stats and passive bonuses, you max at 1d8+7, which is not significantly better than 1d8+5I respond to the EK layout below.And the Bladesinger wizard is still a wizard. Valor Bards lack a way to increase their damage, which bladesingers get later on, but mostly, Bards don't have a highly aggressive spell list. Wizards have more than enough damage options if something needs to go down, and activating mage armor or shield (which most wizards will anyways) stacked with the AC and Con save bonuses of Bladesinging lets you threaten creatures in melee while still blasting them with spells. I'm not saying they are the best, far from it, but they seem to be a better Gish caster base than the Bladelock or the Valor Bard, and if you've got the stats, they can be very scary.</blockquote>

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