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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Flamestrike" data-source="post: 6936754" data-attributes="member: 6788736">Rubbish mate. Hidden is expressly defined in the PHB as 'unseen and unheard'. To Hide (become unheard) in combat you need to take the Hide action.Cunning action lets rogues [Hide]+[Move] move silently and then [Attack] all on the same turn. Its a core class feature of the Rogue.Wizards dont get it for a reason.So you take the Hide action and then you move. You have to take the Hide action to become hidden. Until you do, you are either seen or heard or both. In this case the Rogue is unseen but not unheard. To become unheard in combat he has to first become hidden. To become hidden he has to take the Hide action.If succesful he becomes hidden and can approach the Guard (who has his back to the Rogue) with his movement. If he's a second level Rogue he can attack in the same turn.If hes a Wizard, he'll have to wait a turn, and hope the guard doesnt turn around on his turn.'Hide' is the name of the action. It includes both hiding and moving silently. Read the definition of 'hidden'.Cool man but youre wrong. That said its your game but I'd probably quit with those absurd rules. If that was the rules, it'd say so. The invisible condition just lets you hide. It doesnt make you 'automatically hidden as a free action with an infinite Stealth check result'.</blockquote>