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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 6943098" data-attributes="member: 6801228">So, not to jump in here and cause a ruckus, but your logic either ignores physics or ignores what he said.Invisible Wizard in a zone of silence standing still. Let's assume, for the sake of argument that he did this before your barbarian charged into the seemingly empty room."Hes a clutz who makes a lot of noise" you said, but zone of silence means he makes zero noise. Same with those jangling components."stay downwind of his targets" you said, but he doesn't have to consider his position to hide, he can just hide. So suddenly that pungent scent that lets someone know where he is within 5 ft (very impressive for someone's sense of smell) vanishes out of the air.... as the wizard does what exactly? Take a six second bath with no soap and water? If that is your explanation it makes no narrative sense. The only possible thing is covering his tracks... which again the use of the hide skill doesn't require. After all, he doesn't have to move, so he doesn't have to sweep up the dust that he walked through and obliterate the tracks.This is why this discussion is taking place, invisible in a silent zone with no hide skill can be pinpointed, but there is no explanation of why that doesn't require the invisible character to do something incredulous by taking the hide action while standing still to no longer be pinpointed. I still wonder about the fact that multiple invisible things, moving all within 6 seconds but not hiding, all are tracked with perfect precision. Movies that show a single invisible opponent make it clear how confusing it is to fight something you can't see, and multiple things you can't see would logically obfuscate the situation enough to confuse the adventurer, wouldn't it?</blockquote>

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