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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mort" data-source="post: 6943270" data-attributes="member: 762">First, I'd like to point out that the silenced, invisible mage will be rare in 5e (much much rarer than 3e) because both spells require concentration - as such either the invisibility or the silence would have to be cast by someone else (or perhaps the mage is using an item can't recall, without the books, if such items require concentration).  Regardless though, If someone is standing invisbly and in a silent zone and taking no other action then they are trying to hide! Hard to interpret it as anything else! If they do take an action (especially an agressive action such as attack) then they should be detectable (that's one reason a high level arcane trickster can be so nasty, improved invisibility,  sneak attack, hide as a bonus action - repeat).     They are not tracked with perfect precision.  The adventurer has a general idea where they are and has to guess when attacking them - hence disadvantage. If the invisible things make an effort to hide - then it becomes that much harder to even find them - a group of greater invisible rogues (or other creatures that can hide as a bonus action) would be very, very dangerous.I guess the thing that's confusing me is the "an invisible person is undetectable" assertion - they're not undetectable, you just can't see them. If they don't otherwise conceal their presense they can still be detected (albeit not as easily).As for the "there are other ways to hide..." arguments - well sure - and you can rule on those conditions as they come up (like the invisible wizard standing in a zone of silence) - but you have to establish some kind of baseline. This is what the rules clearly do. The baseline is: Invisibility allows you to always try to hide- it doesn't make hiding a free (or no) action.</blockquote>

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