Tracking sales.

[Aberzanzorax]

Here's an update for the last "30 days" which is actually not a full 30 days, as many of these books were activated upon starting this thread.

Following the books there will be numbers. The first is how many books sold on Amazon.com in September so far. The second the month's average.

Rules Compendium 3e 10; 358,569
Player's Handbook 3.5 100; 16,673

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game 156; 3,169
Pathfinder Bestiary 86; 22,074
Pathfinder Bestiary 2 75; 30,678
Pathfinder Bestiary 3 (release in November) 67; 43,401

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Beginner Box 16; 288,087

Dungeons and Dragons Core Rulebook Gift Set 4e 82; 19,648
Dungeons and Dragons Player's Handbook 4e 145; 6,699
Dungeons and Dragons Dungeon Master's Guide 4e 84; 21,712
Monster Manual 1 76; 25,271
Monster Manual 2 70; 37,342
Monster Manual 3 65; 40,779
Rules Compendium 4e 135; 7,918

Heroes of the Fallen Lands 99; 16,271

Neverwinter Campaign Setting: 121; 8,355

 

[Aberzanzorax]

Here is a more easily digested list, in order of average sales rank:

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game 156; 3,169
Dungeons and Dragons Player's Handbook 4e 145; 6,699
Rules Compendium 4e 135; 7,918
Neverwinter Campaign Setting: 121; 8,355

Heroes of the Fallen Lands 99; 16,271
Player's Handbook 3.5 100; 16,673
Dungeons and Dragons Core Rulebook Gift Set 4e 82; 19,648

Dungeons and Dragons Dungeon Master's Guide 4e 84; 21,712
Pathfinder Bestiary 86; 22,074
Monster Manual 1 76; 25,271

Pathfinder Bestiary 2 75; 30,678
Monster Manual 2 70; 37,342

Monster Manual 3 65; 40,779
Pathfinder Bestiary 3 (release in November) 67; 43,401


Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Beginner Box 16; 288,087
Rules Compendium 3e 10; 358,569

 

[nedjer]

This would suggest D&D as a brand is way ahead of Pathfinder as a brand? Or is it just really late in a long day?

 

[Aberzanzorax]

Well, these are Amazon numbers only (by proxy)... so there's a limitation in the data.

So far the data seem to agree with the ICV stuffs.



An important note...the lower the rank, the BETTER (like golf).

Number 1 rank is the best seller on Amazon.


EDIT:
My interpetation (and this is, of course, only my interpretation) is that, for the books sampled, pathfiner and D&D are about equal.

It's particulary apparent with the monster manuals, but also with the phb (when you add the 4e gift pack to the 4e phb...most ppl buying that are buying it for the phb and the bonus items...pathfinder only SEEMS to beat it).


In the end, I think that this data (for what it is worth) says that 4e and pathfinder are relatively on par.



But I'll admit that that's only my interpretation of the data.

 

[nedjer]

Well, these are Amazon numbers only (by proxy)... so there's a limitation in the data.

So far the data seem to agree with the ICV stuffs.



An important note...the lower the rank, the BETTER (like golf).

Number 1 rank is the best seller on Amazon.


EDIT:
My interpetation (and this is, of course, only my interpretation) is that, for the books sampled, pathfiner and D&D are about equal.

It's particulary apparent with the monster manuals, but also with the phb (when you add the 4e gift pack to the 4e phb...most ppl buying that are buying it for the phb and the bonus items...pathfinder only SEEMS to beat it).


In the end, I think that this data (for what it is worth) says that 4e and pathfinder are relatively on par.



But I'll admit that that's only my interpretation of the data.

My interpretation on the nos. is more on the start-ups. The early data seems to show lots more new players for D&D, i.e. higher: compendium, gift, phb combination?

 

[Aberzanzorax]

Here's an other update.

Following the books there will be numbers. The first is how many books sold on Amazon.com in October. The second the month's average.

Rules Compendium 3e 11; 502,972
Player's Handbook 3.5 138; 10,712

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game 233; 2,498
Pathfinder Bestiary 165; 11,629
Pathfinder Bestiary 2 109; 19,152
Pathfinder Bestiary 3 (release in November) 74; 25,605

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Beginner Box 132; 8,876


Dungeons and Dragons Core Rulebook Gift Set 4e 98; 14,588
Dungeons and Dragons Player's Handbook 4e 182; 7,702
Dungeons and Dragons Dungeon Master's Guide 4e 110; 9,496
Monster Manual 1 115; 14,020
Monster Manual 2 66; 64,498
Monster Manual 3 80;38,124
Rules Compendium 4e 187; 9,396

Heroes of the Fallen Lands 130; 13,907

Neverwinter Campaign Setting: 134; 30,141

EDIT, added the following, which are CURRENT rank rather than average, due to being added just today.
Dark Heresy RPG Core Rulebook: 159,023
Rogue Trader RPG Core Rulebook: 84,041
Deathwatch Core Rulebook: 96,540


Dragon Age RPG Set 1: 172,910
Dragon Age RPG Set 2: 189,100
Dragon Age Gamemaster's Kit: 270,417

Shadowrun 20th Anniversary Edition: 27,006

 

[Aberzanzorax]

Here is a more easily digested list, in order of average sales rank; yellow books are CURRENT rank as stated above:

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game 233; 2,498
Dungeons and Dragons Player's Handbook 4e 182; 7,702
Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Beginner Box 132; 8,876
Rules Compendium 4e 187; 9,396
Dungeons and Dragons Dungeon Master's Guide 4e 110; 9,496

Player's Handbook 3.5 138; 10,712
Pathfinder Bestiary 165; 11,629
Heroes of the Fallen Lands 130; 13,907
Monster Manual 1 115; 14,020
Dungeons and Dragons Core Rulebook Gift Set 4e 98; 14,588
Pathfinder Bestiary 2 109; 19,152

Pathfinder Bestiary 3 (release in November) 74; 25,605
Shadowrun 20th Anniversary Edition: 27,006

Neverwinter Campaign Setting: 134; 30,141
Monster Manual 3 80;38,124

Monster Manual 2 66; 64,498

Rogue Trader RPG Core Rulebook: 84,041

Deathwatch Core Rulebook: 96,540

Dark Heresy RPG Core Rulebook: 159,023
Dragon Age RPG Set 1: 172,910
Dragon Age RPG Set 2: 189,100

Dragon Age Gamemaster's Kit: 270,417

Rules Compendium 3e 11; 502,972

 

[Aberzanzorax]

With the data presented, I'll give my thoughts:

This data again seems to agree with the latest ICv2 data.
http://www.enworld.org/forum/news/313557-icv2s-top-5-rpgs-summer-2011-pathfinder-again.html

That's true both in terms of rankings, and in terms of "games had hot summer" here: ICv2 - Games Had Hot Summer


The most notable change in the books I'm tracking is the huge improvement in sales of the pathfinder beginner box. I had been worried about it after the last round of sales tracking.


Looks like both games are strong.

I've added the other three games from ICv2 to track today. Note that these are just their core books, not the entire franchise, and as I've stated, they're the current rankings, not the month's average.


QUESTION: Would it be helpful/or is it necessary if I color coded prodcuts by system?

 

[Erik Mona]

I think you should consider the release date as a factor in these rankings. My observations suggest that very few people pre-purchase a book on Amazon. When the book is not yet out, or if a hiccup in distribution has it unavailable on Amazon, the rank tends to sink like a rock.

One of the reasons the Beginner Box has had an uptick recently (besides the fact that is is an awesome product, of course) is that we are approaching its Amazon.com release date. Once the box is out, it will rank much better for a while, and when the initial buzz dies off it will probably settle in lower than it was when it came out.

So newer products are going to be more volatile around their date of release when observed by the methods you are using.

--Erik

 

[TheAuldGrump]

I find it very interesting how very well the 3.5 PHB continues to sell. It is right up there with both 4e and Pathfinder.

Maybe WotC should reprint 3.5 as well as keeping 4e in print.

The Auld Grump, a fairly major change in the way my opinion was running.