Reply to thread

Message

<blockquote data-quote="ph0rk" data-source="post: 1535239" data-attributes="member: 16266">So are you in the training for new classes/skills camp or the training for every level camp?I'm squarely in the 'it is a waste of time' camp, unless as Chupacabra noted it is used for plot hooks and the like.Without sounding silly, tumble can't be used untrained.&nbsp; (yeah yeah).&nbsp; I dislike that particular mechanic, but unless my ranger/rogue started as a rogue, he can't tumble at 1st level (unless he put cross-class points into tumble, but as i'm taking a level of rogue anyway, that is just wasteful.&nbsp; Had WotC chosen not&nbsp; to remove the apprentice rules and optional start with 1/2 of each of 2 levels rules it would be a nonissue for that particular character)I hate training, and most fans of epic fantasy (fiction) should too, as it rarely happens once the story gets moving.I hate forced training for new classes or skills only even worse, as it is little more than a penalty for characters that don't want to be stuck with a base class as is.&nbsp; What next, training for cleave?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ph0rk, post: 1535239, member: 16266"] So are you in the training for new classes/skills camp or the training for every level camp? I'm squarely in the 'it is a waste of time' camp, unless as Chupacabra noted it is used for plot hooks and the like. Without sounding silly, tumble can't be used untrained. (yeah yeah). I dislike that particular mechanic, but unless my ranger/rogue started as a rogue, he can't tumble at 1st level (unless he put cross-class points into tumble, but as i'm taking a level of rogue anyway, that is just wasteful. Had WotC chosen not to remove the apprentice rules and optional start with 1/2 of each of 2 levels rules it would be a nonissue for that particular character) I hate training, and most fans of epic fantasy (fiction) should too, as it rarely happens once the story gets moving. I hate forced training for new classes or skills only even worse, as it is little more than a penalty for characters that don't want to be stuck with a base class as is. What next, training for cleave? [/QUOTE]

Verification