Tremorsense vs Ghost Step

[Legildur]

Even though the rules explicitly state that you cannot take an AOO against an opponent with full concealment, doesn't this seem odd when you consider AOOs for moving through a threatened square of a creature with tremorsense - which can automatically detect what square a creature is in?

And a question about Tremorsense, can it detect a creature standing still? The quote in the first post makes mention about the creature having to be moving, but I believe that only applies in the situation where 'no straight path exists through the ground' to the creature being sensed?

 

[RigaMortus2]

Even though the rules explicitly state that you cannot take an AOO against an opponent with full concealment, doesn't this seem odd when you consider AOOs for moving through a threatened square of a creature with tremorsense - which can automatically detect what square a creature is in?

No, because you don't know the shape or size of the thing you are swinging at. Are you swining at a gnome or at an 8' gnoll?

 

[Legildur]

No, because you don't know the shape or size of the thing you are swinging at. Are you swining at a gnome or at an 8' gnoll?

I would guess that is where the 50% miss chance comes into play

 

[Hypersmurf]

Even though the rules explicitly state that you cannot take an AOO against an opponent with full concealment, doesn't this seem odd when you consider AOOs for moving through a threatened square of a creature with tremorsense - which can automatically detect what square a creature is in?

I preferred the 3E rule (or, rather, absence of a rule) - there was no prohibition on AoOs against creatures you couldn't see.

"An AoO has been provoked. Do you wish to take it?"
"Oh! Ah... okay."
"Pick a square."

Whoops - second post, actually.

The first response and the second post are the same message.

Like "first runner-up" and "second place" refer to the same standing in a competition.

-Hyp.

 

[rowport]

FWIW, I am very glad that this thread came up! All of these rules clarifications will make a *very* significant difference in the playability of my Ninja/Cleric (the "Holy Ninja", if you will). When I first built the character, I was skeptical about the weaknesses of Sudden Strike versus Sneak Attack, but the Ghost Step abilities even it out nicely. I do not find Ninjas overpowered, but very balanced against the Rogue with some stylistic differences. I like the class- even if Eric Mona does not!

(Read his newest editorial in Dungeon...)

 

[Artoomis]

I...The first response and the second post are the same message.

Like "first runner-up" and "second place" refer to the same standing in a competition.

-Hyp.

Aaaargh - I read that too fast. Drat. :\

 

[swordsmasher]

Thank you guys for all the replies!

Man, sucks that I was wrong, but now I know, and knowing is half the battle!

~insert 80's cliche~