Triadspell
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Starbuck_II
Explorer
I'm not sure how original Triadspell was written. That would gives us more insight in its functions.
Spell Com version: It functions normally so same action to use. So basically, 3 times on different turns. Example, use triadspell, on a 3rd level or lower, spell like resist energy, mass. So now you can use that spell in 3 seperate occasions before it is expended.
I'm curious... does that mean a pearl of power level 3 will recover all 3?
I'm guessing not, but technically you are just recovering the spell.
Vegepygmy
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Technically, it definitely doesn't work. Triadspell instantaneously transforms a single spell into three spells. You could use the pearl to recover one of those three spells after casting it, but the three spells are not three-spells-in-one (the triadspell effect, being instantaneous, has come and gone already), they are actually three different spells.
And by the way, triadspell is (as written) ridiculously broken, IMO.
StreamOfTheSky
Adventurer
Can you explain why?
I thought so at first, but then the more I thought about it, it actually seemed kind of weak. Using the "fool-proof" (sarcasm) equation of spell level x = 2 x spell level x -1 (since Versatile Spellcaster feat from Races of the Dragon let you use two lower level slots to cast the next slot up), Triadspell is actually underpowered. 2 3rd level spells are worth one 4th level level spell. It would take two 4 th level spells (4 3rd level spells) to be worth a 5th level slot by that math. Of course, that's assuming you have the feat, which is a cost...
Even so, generally in 3E any ability to cast more spells in one round or more high level spells at the expense of resources or lower level spells is what is powerful. Triadspell is doing the opposite. Giving up a more powerful slot for a bunch of weaker ones you then need triple the rounds to use.
Please let me know of some out-of-combat buff spell abuse that makes it broken, I'm sure it's possible. In combat at least, no way is Triadspell overpowered.
aboyd
Explorer
I agree. I looked at Triadspell and thought, "Hmm, so I can use up 2 spell slots and in exchange I either get to cast a 3rd & 5th level spell as normal, or I get to cast three third level spells? Using a 5th level spell is way more powerful & useful, so why bother with Triadspell?"
Because its duration is instantaneous.
Meaning you can cast it as many times as you want, gaining 3 uses of said spell each time. The spells you gain will never expire until you use them.
So my cleric could cast it 100 times over 100 days, getting the ability to say, cast dispel magic 300 times.
Meaning you can cast it as many times as you want, gaining 3 uses of said spell each time. The spells you gain will never expire until you use them.
So my cleric could cast it 100 times over 100 days, getting the ability to say, cast dispel magic 300 times.
Starbuck_II
Explorer
You missed the fine print: You cannot cast traidspell more than once upon a single prepared spell.
So no Dispel magic 300 times.
But you bring up a good point. It is instanteous so you can get all of your 3rd and lower spells to be used 3 times/day before battle if you have the time.
Making A wizards normal 9th level spells/day of 3rd level spells (20 Int sounds decent): 1st x 4+2, 2nd x 4+1, 3rd 3+1.
Now you have 1st x 18, 2nd x 15, 3rd x 12.
Shin Okada
Explorer
That seems not so interesting comparing to a Wand of Rary's Mnemonic Enhancer.
Vegepygmy
First Post
Precisely. It's broken because you get something for nothing.
A common fix for this brokenness is to not allow the slot used for triadspell to be refilled until the extra spells granted by its casting are expended or forfeited, but that's definitely not how the spell is written.
