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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The_lone_gunman" data-source="post: 217744" data-attributes="member: 1143">I listed the above quote because it was referenced from the PHB. I dont see how you guys can say that the statements above from the book don't infer that only certain weapons can be used to make trip attacks. I have listed the relevent statements below for easy reference:Because the chain can wrap around an enemy's leg or other limbyou can make trip attacksYou can also use this weapon to make trip attacks.Because of a Guisarme's curved blade, you can also make trip attacks. Because of the hookon the back of the halberd you can use it to make trip attacks.  Becuase the whip can wrap around an enemey's leg or other limb, you can make  trip attacks with it.  All of these statements explain what it is about the weapon that allows you to make trip attacks. Even the statements that you are "knocking down" your opponent with your weapon and foot, or other such nonsense put forth here, do not hold water if you look at these descriptions. Notice that they do not state something like "These weapons are superior for trip attacks" or "These weapons make GREAT trip attack weapons", they simply state that because of their design, they CAN be used to make trip attacks......so where is the argument? I know Hong will pull out his Thesarus and slide rule and come up with a logic argument, but for those of us here on earth, I don't see how this can infer anything else........BTW I do love your arguments hong, that statement was meant as a compliment <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />.I personally find it silly to think that you could use a greatsword, sap, dagger, or many other weapons to trip someone.Think of it like this. The "trip" manuever is a special manuver in D&D. Since D&D does not have "called shots", this is one of the special options you have to do something similar to a called shot. However, in order to do this, you need a special weapon, bludgeoning their legs out from under them with a mace is not something that I believe the designers intended.Of course this is all my opinion, and I am sure others will oppose it and assure me that you could trip someone with short sword. I might even allow someone to try this crazy manuever in my game, but I would at least enforce an AOO and a -4 to hit with it (-4 for using the weapon "exotically" or as it was not intended to be used).Thats my 2 cp. Feel free to disagree and try to convince me <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />.TLG</blockquote>

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