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<blockquote data-quote="Shemeska" data-source="post: 1993679" data-attributes="member: 11697"><p>Having looked at both the various examinations of the shroud, its defined history, and its speculative history, I've got a rather mixed opinion of it, being both a Christian, a scientist, and a rather potent skeptic.</p><p></p><p>I feel that the Shroud is likely from the time period in or around 30ish AD, however as to the source of the image, I simply can't say but I'm open to any and all possibilities, both intentional and unintentional creation. I'll neither exclude or affirm any link to the historical Christ, though there's plenty of lore to link them, though little of it documented (though several texts from Constantinople, previous to the Turkish conquest of it, make mention of a cloth that resembles what we would call the Turin shroud. It might be it, it might be an earlier cloth that the Turin shroud was based upon, but the date is earlier than that of the Turin cloth in France, or the suggested hoax dates)</p><p></p><p>Then there's the semi-plausible link to the Sudarium of Oviedo, which has a fairly well documented history in Spain since the 7th century (older than most all claims of a date for the Turin cloth, both its documented emergence in France and most claims of forgery in the middle ages). The putative blood stains on the Sudarium, held to have been the seperate cloth on the head from the main shroud in hebrew burial customs, match very closely with those on the Turin shroud. I'll admit that it's possible that the Sudarium was used as a model for the Turin cloth, if one goes with the later origin story, or they both may have been based on a now lost original cloth.</p><p></p><p>I can't say, but I can't wholly dismiss the claims out of hand (though the carbon dates are certainly something that tosses a wrench into those claims).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Shemeska, post: 1993679, member: 11697"] Having looked at both the various examinations of the shroud, its defined history, and its speculative history, I've got a rather mixed opinion of it, being both a Christian, a scientist, and a rather potent skeptic. I feel that the Shroud is likely from the time period in or around 30ish AD, however as to the source of the image, I simply can't say but I'm open to any and all possibilities, both intentional and unintentional creation. I'll neither exclude or affirm any link to the historical Christ, though there's plenty of lore to link them, though little of it documented (though several texts from Constantinople, previous to the Turkish conquest of it, make mention of a cloth that resembles what we would call the Turin shroud. It might be it, it might be an earlier cloth that the Turin shroud was based upon, but the date is earlier than that of the Turin cloth in France, or the suggested hoax dates) Then there's the semi-plausible link to the Sudarium of Oviedo, which has a fairly well documented history in Spain since the 7th century (older than most all claims of a date for the Turin cloth, both its documented emergence in France and most claims of forgery in the middle ages). The putative blood stains on the Sudarium, held to have been the seperate cloth on the head from the main shroud in hebrew burial customs, match very closely with those on the Turin shroud. I'll admit that it's possible that the Sudarium was used as a model for the Turin cloth, if one goes with the later origin story, or they both may have been based on a now lost original cloth. I can't say, but I can't wholly dismiss the claims out of hand (though the carbon dates are certainly something that tosses a wrench into those claims). [/QUOTE]
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