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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 1995952" data-attributes="member: 177">The story of the shroud may predate Leonardo, yes.&nbsp; But what proof do we have that the cloth that showed up in 1349 and the one shown by the Savoys in 1494 are the same piece of fabric?&nbsp; The word of the Savoys?&nbsp; As if power-hungry Italian nobles in the Renaissance would be trustworthy when talking about an item that grants political power?&nbsp; We sure don't have photographic evidence, or material samples or anything.Assuming the shroud is not the burial cloth of Jesus Christ (and that's a good bet, since the images on the front and back don't even match in size or positioning), someone had to make it, right?&nbsp;&nbsp; For all it's flaws when viewed with modern measuring tooks and instruments, the shroud is a wonderful piece of artwork.&nbsp; I'm not an art historian by any stretch, but some documentaries I've seen argue for Leonardo or one of his contemporaries based upon the art alone - it being far more reminicent in style to a late-1400s artwork than a mid-1300s.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 1995952, member: 177"] The story of the shroud may predate Leonardo, yes. But what proof do we have that the cloth that showed up in 1349 and the one shown by the Savoys in 1494 are the same piece of fabric? The word of the Savoys? As if power-hungry Italian nobles in the Renaissance would be trustworthy when talking about an item that grants political power? We sure don't have photographic evidence, or material samples or anything. Assuming the shroud is not the burial cloth of Jesus Christ (and that's a good bet, since the images on the front and back don't even match in size or positioning), someone had to make it, right? For all it's flaws when viewed with modern measuring tooks and instruments, the shroud is a wonderful piece of artwork. I'm not an art historian by any stretch, but some documentaries I've seen argue for Leonardo or one of his contemporaries based upon the art alone - it being far more reminicent in style to a late-1400s artwork than a mid-1300s. [/QUOTE]

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