Aries_Omega
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Is there a prestige class that adds turning undead as a class ability? I can't seem to think of one. Found a few that add it if you already have it but none that add the ability if you don't have it.
Turning the Undead
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DarkJester
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grants turn/rebuke undead (Courtesy of Surreal's list of stuff http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=662842 )
Cleric 1
Paladin 4
Blackguard 3, ecl, command or rebuke only
Spirit Shaman 2 (CD), technically not turn undead, in practice is stronger
Ur-priest 2, ecl 7, rebuke only
Dread Necromancer 1, base class, Heroes of Horror, rebuke only
Death Delver 1, ecl 6, Heroes of Horror, rebuke only
Chameleon
Master of Radiance 1, ecl 6, Libris Mortin, turn only - unclear whether you can gain turning, or if it only stacks
Sacred Exorcist 1, ecl 8, Complete Divine, turn only
Tenebrous, vestige, ecl 7, Tome of Magic, unlimited use but see text
Soldier of Light ??, ecl ??, Dieties and Demigods
Cleric 1
Paladin 4
Blackguard 3, ecl, command or rebuke only
Spirit Shaman 2 (CD), technically not turn undead, in practice is stronger
Ur-priest 2, ecl 7, rebuke only
Dread Necromancer 1, base class, Heroes of Horror, rebuke only
Death Delver 1, ecl 6, Heroes of Horror, rebuke only
Chameleon
Master of Radiance 1, ecl 6, Libris Mortin, turn only - unclear whether you can gain turning, or if it only stacks
Sacred Exorcist 1, ecl 8, Complete Divine, turn only
Tenebrous, vestige, ecl 7, Tome of Magic, unlimited use but see text
Soldier of Light ??, ecl ??, Dieties and Demigods
IamTheTest
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Bone Knight from 5 Nations gets rebuke.
Aries_Omega
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Reason behind the post
Thank you all. What I was looking for is a prestige class that doesn't require turn undead. I am not much interested in stacking for it either. I am looking for one that gives the ability upon taking the class. Out of the ones that are listed Soldier of Light is the only one that works.
Here is what one of my players is trying to do with his character. In my campaign I use the prestige paladin option from UA. He currently is a fighter and wants to become a paladin. Thing is he doesn't want to deal with all the politics of the "church" so we came up with that he will have a divine vision and take 1 level of favored soul. He meets all the requirements of skills, alignment, feats and now spell casting ability. Thing is for prestige paladin you need to be able to turn the undead. If I am reading the favored soul right...they don't do that.
So...if you were the player...how would you become a prestige paladin if you started as a fighter and did not want to become a cleric?
Thank you all. What I was looking for is a prestige class that doesn't require turn undead. I am not much interested in stacking for it either. I am looking for one that gives the ability upon taking the class. Out of the ones that are listed Soldier of Light is the only one that works.
Here is what one of my players is trying to do with his character. In my campaign I use the prestige paladin option from UA. He currently is a fighter and wants to become a paladin. Thing is he doesn't want to deal with all the politics of the "church" so we came up with that he will have a divine vision and take 1 level of favored soul. He meets all the requirements of skills, alignment, feats and now spell casting ability. Thing is for prestige paladin you need to be able to turn the undead. If I am reading the favored soul right...they don't do that.
So...if you were the player...how would you become a prestige paladin if you started as a fighter and did not want to become a cleric?
HeapThaumaturgist
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shilsen said:
Yea, that would be my suggestion, honestly.
--fje
I agree with Heap & Shilsen- it's your game, run it as you see fit- drop the requirement. If you feel that this is too lenient, change it to something like "must have turn undead or other significant anti-undead abilities" inherent (that is, not equipment based) to the PC .
For future reference, though, some of WotC's recent products have base classes and PrCls that are "Paladin"-y and don't have that political side to them. They could be used to fill the role of a non-traditional paladin archetype.
Complete Psionic introduced the Ardent ("psi-Cleric") and Divine Mind ("psi-Paladin")- neither of which can turn undead, but still have that link to the divine that you may deem appropriate. There is also the PrCl called the Illumine Soul that turns a Soulknife into an undead-slaying machine due to a direct link to the positive plane that brings along with it increased damage and resistance to death and negative energy effects.
Magic of Incarnum's Soulborn can also make potent anti-undead fighters, as can the Incandescent Champion and Incarnum Blade PrCls.
For future reference, though, some of WotC's recent products have base classes and PrCls that are "Paladin"-y and don't have that political side to them. They could be used to fill the role of a non-traditional paladin archetype.
Complete Psionic introduced the Ardent ("psi-Cleric") and Divine Mind ("psi-Paladin")- neither of which can turn undead, but still have that link to the divine that you may deem appropriate. There is also the PrCl called the Illumine Soul that turns a Soulknife into an undead-slaying machine due to a direct link to the positive plane that brings along with it increased damage and resistance to death and negative energy effects.
Magic of Incarnum's Soulborn can also make potent anti-undead fighters, as can the Incandescent Champion and Incarnum Blade PrCls.
Aries_Omega
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Requirements for Test
I want to thank you all. I am so glad I am part of EN World for reasons like this. With everything all of you said, I am thinking of disregarding for the Paladin prestige class the "turn undead" requirement unless there is a feat that can be taken that gives it.
In truth, I actually use the "Test Based Prerequisites" for all prestige classes after reading about them in Unearthed Arcana. I actually have someone going for Arcane Archer and I need to invent a test for Order of the Bow Initiate.
So...with that in mind...what do you all think would be a good one for a Paladin (Prestige Paladin)?
I want to thank you all. I am so glad I am part of EN World for reasons like this. With everything all of you said, I am thinking of disregarding for the Paladin prestige class the "turn undead" requirement unless there is a feat that can be taken that gives it.
In truth, I actually use the "Test Based Prerequisites" for all prestige classes after reading about them in Unearthed Arcana. I actually have someone going for Arcane Archer and I need to invent a test for Order of the Bow Initiate.
So...with that in mind...what do you all think would be a good one for a Paladin (Prestige Paladin)?
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You're asking what would be a good test to enter a Paladin PrCl?
Anything that tests something of those characteristics inherent in (the DM's conception of) Paladins:
If they are to be merciless slayers of evil, then the test might involve testing their resolve to slay evil...even if the source of the evil seems to be innocuous. OTOH, if mercy is the crucial ingredient of Paladins in your world, someone would have to prove themselves "smite-worthy."
Example: What would a typical Paladin in your campaign do if he were given a prophetic text describing the Age of Darkness, and described the harbinger of that age as being an elf male having a birthmark that looked like "999" (
), then encountered said elf...as a babe in arms. The test for the merciless type would be to see if he recognize this Harbinger and attempt to do away with him...while the Merciful Knight would have to show his patience and wait until the dev-elf actually comitted an evil act.
If that's too gritty or drawn out, there are lesser ways to do the same tests. What penalty does the PC demand for the street urchin who steals the would-be paladin's food to feed himself...or others?
Or perhaps he must do a tour of duty with the city watch (or the highway guardsmen, or in a soup kitchen, or...), closely (and secretly) observed by an observer from his Order, to see how he metes out justice and generally interacts with the world.
Anything that tests something of those characteristics inherent in (the DM's conception of) Paladins:
If they are to be merciless slayers of evil, then the test might involve testing their resolve to slay evil...even if the source of the evil seems to be innocuous. OTOH, if mercy is the crucial ingredient of Paladins in your world, someone would have to prove themselves "smite-worthy."
Example: What would a typical Paladin in your campaign do if he were given a prophetic text describing the Age of Darkness, and described the harbinger of that age as being an elf male having a birthmark that looked like "999" (
), then encountered said elf...as a babe in arms. The test for the merciless type would be to see if he recognize this Harbinger and attempt to do away with him...while the Merciful Knight would have to show his patience and wait until the dev-elf actually comitted an evil act.If that's too gritty or drawn out, there are lesser ways to do the same tests. What penalty does the PC demand for the street urchin who steals the would-be paladin's food to feed himself...or others?
Or perhaps he must do a tour of duty with the city watch (or the highway guardsmen, or in a soup kitchen, or...), closely (and secretly) observed by an observer from his Order, to see how he metes out justice and generally interacts with the world.
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