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<blockquote data-quote="GreyLord" data-source="post: 8602501" data-attributes="member: 4348"><p>Where did I see this...maybe here...can't recall...BUT...</p><p></p><p>A lot of comparison of what Russia is like today and what it has been doing has been compared to the Nazi's...or at least what we, in the West, see Nazi's as.</p><p></p><p>It is very popular in Ukraine to also see them as such these days, with the Z that Russians have on their vehicles being utilized as a naZi symbol, or the new Nazi symbol</p><p></p><p>HOWEVER...</p><p></p><p>One point of view that I've seen related in how Russians view the Nazi's is very different than our views. They didn't care that the Nazi's had the Holocaust (and in fact, it is thought that Stalin killed a lot more Jews and other minorities, some guesses as high as 3X as many as Hitler and the Nazi's did). They didn't care that the Nazi's were facists. What they DID care about was that the Nazi's attacked Russia and then tried to eradicate Russian culture. Thus, those who attempt to destroy or harm Russia by default fall under their idea of what a Nazi is.</p><p></p><p>In this definition NATO and Europe have definately been the Nazi's to the Russian People over the past 25 years. It was not so much that new nations separated and became new nations from the Soviet Block after the fall of the USSR, butt that it appears that the Russian cultural impact and effect is disappearing and being replaced with Western morals and cultural views. It is a NEW invasion upon Russian heritage and culture. The last time this happened was the Great War against the Nazi's. It is THIS comparison to Nazi's that they are making (NOT the one that we are making). In this light, to them, WE are the invaders, and as we appropriate former Soviet nations into the Western umbrella, to them it is akin to what happened in World War 2 as the Nazi's slowly took over various lands owned by the USSR.</p><p></p><p>To them, the Nazi's are not what we view Nazi's as, but those who destroy Russian culture and try to change it to a different one. As more areas of what they consider Russian nations are enveloped and then accepted into the EU and NATO, it would probably seem to them as if a New Nazi (in their definition) threat has arisen to destroy the Russian people once more. </p><p></p><p>To be clear...</p><p></p><p>I DO NOT AGREE WITH THE ABOVE IDEAS. I DO NOT AGREE WITH THE RUSSIAN ATTACK ON UKRAINE. I SUPPORT UKRAINE AND BELIEVE THEY ARE THE GOOD GUYS IN ALL OF THIS, AND RUSSIA IS BEING THE AGGRESSOR AND THE BAD GUYS.</p><p></p><p>I pointed out the above view because it may be that we and the Russians are saying things that use the same words, but mean VERY DIFFERENT things to each side.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GreyLord, post: 8602501, member: 4348"] Where did I see this...maybe here...can't recall...BUT... A lot of comparison of what Russia is like today and what it has been doing has been compared to the Nazi's...or at least what we, in the West, see Nazi's as. It is very popular in Ukraine to also see them as such these days, with the Z that Russians have on their vehicles being utilized as a naZi symbol, or the new Nazi symbol HOWEVER... One point of view that I've seen related in how Russians view the Nazi's is very different than our views. They didn't care that the Nazi's had the Holocaust (and in fact, it is thought that Stalin killed a lot more Jews and other minorities, some guesses as high as 3X as many as Hitler and the Nazi's did). They didn't care that the Nazi's were facists. What they DID care about was that the Nazi's attacked Russia and then tried to eradicate Russian culture. Thus, those who attempt to destroy or harm Russia by default fall under their idea of what a Nazi is. In this definition NATO and Europe have definately been the Nazi's to the Russian People over the past 25 years. It was not so much that new nations separated and became new nations from the Soviet Block after the fall of the USSR, butt that it appears that the Russian cultural impact and effect is disappearing and being replaced with Western morals and cultural views. It is a NEW invasion upon Russian heritage and culture. The last time this happened was the Great War against the Nazi's. It is THIS comparison to Nazi's that they are making (NOT the one that we are making). In this light, to them, WE are the invaders, and as we appropriate former Soviet nations into the Western umbrella, to them it is akin to what happened in World War 2 as the Nazi's slowly took over various lands owned by the USSR. To them, the Nazi's are not what we view Nazi's as, but those who destroy Russian culture and try to change it to a different one. As more areas of what they consider Russian nations are enveloped and then accepted into the EU and NATO, it would probably seem to them as if a New Nazi (in their definition) threat has arisen to destroy the Russian people once more. To be clear... I DO NOT AGREE WITH THE ABOVE IDEAS. I DO NOT AGREE WITH THE RUSSIAN ATTACK ON UKRAINE. I SUPPORT UKRAINE AND BELIEVE THEY ARE THE GOOD GUYS IN ALL OF THIS, AND RUSSIA IS BEING THE AGGRESSOR AND THE BAD GUYS. I pointed out the above view because it may be that we and the Russians are saying things that use the same words, but mean VERY DIFFERENT things to each side. [/QUOTE]
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