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<blockquote data-quote="nedjer" data-source="post: 8624588" data-attributes="member: 83796"><p>War certainly leads to war crimes, but with 'good' forces it tends to be a furtive minority acting off the leash, if to some extent they were let off the leash in the first place. Here we have a leadership that condones and celebrates war crimes and a military so brutalised in parts that toddler rapists send video of atrocities home to their wives. Ukraine on the other hand don't shell civilians, have spent years professionalising their military and so seem likely to have occasional incidents but not the wholesale participation in war crimes of some Russian units. We would seem to be dealing not simply with a culture of criminality but a culture set up to collectivise the use of war crimes/ genocide as a supposedly legitimate means of enforcement.</p><p></p><p>There are plenty of predicaments under such circumstances but there are plenty of Russian units who prefer to sabotage their own vehicles or desert/ surrender and others who are being held for refusing to fight with their CO told to shoot them for desertion but unwilling to do so. In addition, 50,000+ Ukrainian civilians with a choice between fleeing and fighting have preferred to fight while thousands of Russian civilians are in jail for refusing to follow Putin's bidding. Stripping that back imo the Russian oligarchs have so hollowed out functional institutions and so diminished education and training that many troops, mostly drawn from among the most impoverished, are ill-equipped to deal with any of it, leading some to go with what is normalised within their units.</p><p></p><p>This is maybe where the collapse in Putin's prestige can help, as authority figures are vital to authoritarianism and there is likely to be hugely more dissent as 55% of generals don't make it home and your ships sink whenever they leave port.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="nedjer, post: 8624588, member: 83796"] War certainly leads to war crimes, but with 'good' forces it tends to be a furtive minority acting off the leash, if to some extent they were let off the leash in the first place. Here we have a leadership that condones and celebrates war crimes and a military so brutalised in parts that toddler rapists send video of atrocities home to their wives. Ukraine on the other hand don't shell civilians, have spent years professionalising their military and so seem likely to have occasional incidents but not the wholesale participation in war crimes of some Russian units. We would seem to be dealing not simply with a culture of criminality but a culture set up to collectivise the use of war crimes/ genocide as a supposedly legitimate means of enforcement. There are plenty of predicaments under such circumstances but there are plenty of Russian units who prefer to sabotage their own vehicles or desert/ surrender and others who are being held for refusing to fight with their CO told to shoot them for desertion but unwilling to do so. In addition, 50,000+ Ukrainian civilians with a choice between fleeing and fighting have preferred to fight while thousands of Russian civilians are in jail for refusing to follow Putin's bidding. Stripping that back imo the Russian oligarchs have so hollowed out functional institutions and so diminished education and training that many troops, mostly drawn from among the most impoverished, are ill-equipped to deal with any of it, leading some to go with what is normalised within their units. This is maybe where the collapse in Putin's prestige can help, as authority figures are vital to authoritarianism and there is likely to be hugely more dissent as 55% of generals don't make it home and your ships sink whenever they leave port. [/QUOTE]
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