Ultimate Magus

[shadyizok]

Ok, so I read somewhere that you can qualify for prestige classes that have spontanious casting as a prerequisite using a wizard with the spontanious divination alternative class feature from complete champion.

Folowing this reasoning, could one qualify for the Ultimate Magus prestige class with a lvl 5 wizard using this ACF and, if so, how would that work with the Ultimate Magus' various abilities?

 

[Dandu]

It would work funikly. Don't count on it being allowed in games.

 

[rgard]

Ok, so I read somewhere that you can qualify for prestige classes that have spontanious casting as a prerequisite using a wizard with the spontanious divination alternative class feature from complete champion.

Folowing this reasoning, could one qualify for the Ultimate Magus prestige class with a lvl 5 wizard using this ACF and, if so, how would that work with the Ultimate Magus' various abilities?

Not sure I'm following you with this one, but what is your prepared spells class? Are you using your wizard level as both the spontaneous and as the prepared class?

 

[Herzog]

Ok, assuming you find a DM mad enough to allow this:

You have 5 levels of Wizard, and ACF spontaneous Divination. Your Wizard class counts as both a prepared and a spontaneous Arcane class. You still need a metamagic feat and the rquired skill ranks, but let's assume you have that.

UM1: You only have one class, so your wizard spellcasting increases by 1.
Your Effective caster level increases by 1, so your spellcasting is now Wiz6, Caster Level 7.
UM2: You have only one class. rant: While you could read the +1/+1 as allowing a total +2 on your wizard level, a DM that allowed this will probably also allow you to cast spells without arcane spell failure while in full plate, while ignoring the fact that you are not proficient with armor, so go ahead and buy that armor. Or just write it on your sheet. He's probably not checking your money either. make it a +10 ghost touch armor while you're at it. Who cares about restrictions. /rant
Oh, and you get to add a wizard spell from your spellbook to your spellbook. Woohoo.
UM3: Augmented casting. Taking this class feature literally, you can not actually use it, since you dont HAVE another class.
rant: Also, in case your DM let's you add the spellcaster level twice, pick some class features from other classes that take your fancy, like sneak attack. It's not like he's paying attention /rant
UM4-10: rinse and repeat. also get some bonus metamagic feats. rant: Take persistent spell, and apply it to spells outside of the normal requirements. Apply it to spells normally taking one round(this is RAW, actually, but considered overpowered by many). Also, don't expend any spells to do this. as mentioned, your DM is not paying attention anyway./rant

Conclusion: If your DM is ignoring basic balance like this, you could end up with spells of a 22 lvl wizard at lvl 15, with a caster level of 26.

Please treat the rants as humorous comment. It's how they are intended. Reading through the class, I just couldn't imagine a DM allowing this.
Also, I can't imagine what you thought you'd get out of it.

 

[Crothian]

Ok, so I read somewhere that you can qualify for prestige classes that have spontanious casting as a prerequisite using a wizard with the spontanious divination alternative class feature from complete champion.

Folowing this reasoning, could one qualify for the Ultimate Magus prestige class with a lvl 5 wizard using this ACF and, if so, how would that work with the Ultimate Magus' various abilities?

Where did you read it? Was it an official source or off some random dude's blog? Also, it doesn't really matter what the rules say so much as what the DM says; see if your DM will allow it and then ask the questions.

 

[rgard]

random dude

I met him the other day.

 

[rgard]

Back to the OP's note. The intent of the PrC is to have advancement in two different arcane casting classes.

If you had two arcane classes that prepared spells and you wanted to qualify for Ultimate Magus, you could use the ACF to have one of the two be considered spontaneous.

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Corsair]

Simplest answer I found was for my current character: Illumian Beguiler 1 / Wizard 4 / UM +. Using Illumian and Practiced Spellcaster, you can get +10 wizard casting, +7 beguiler. You'll cast at worst like a sorcerer.

I've already got good use out of both augmented casting and some quirky spells on the Beguiler list (like Silence as an arcane spell).

 

[shadyizok]

Thnks for the replies!

I was never truly intending to do this offcourse, just a little thought project that I came across browsing for prestige classes for my wizard.

The double adding of spellcasting lvls mostly depends on your reading I guess but indeed the augmented casting says you need another. Would have been funny if it worked though! But enough nonsense.