Unarmed Damage and Claws (grapple)

[amphoterik]

Hello everyone,

I am making a feral human monk. When I grapple an enemy and chose to "damage enemy" by making an opposed grapple check, do I do both my unarmed and claw damage?

For instance, I am trying to do my unarmed damage, but under claws is says that any time I win an opposed grapple I get to do my claw damage.

Thanks!

 

[Vegepygmy]

The feral creature template's improved grab ability does indeed say that it automatically deals claw damage on every successful grapple check...so as dumb as that is, the answer is yes.

 

[Andion Isurand]

There is also the Beast Strike feat from Dragon Mag #355 pg 76.

The feat basically says that when you make an unarmed strike or grapple check to deal damage you can add your claw or slam base damage to the damage dealt.

 

[Omegaxicor]

I don't know about the "beast-template" that you are adding, but Monk's unarmed damage is from knees and elbows rather than punches.

So your grapple would be a grab which deals Claw damage as your claws dig into the subjects skin followed by a headbutt or knee, dealing your unarmed damage

 

[Sekhmet]

[MENTION=95351]Omegaxicor[/MENTION] Monk's unarmed damage comes from any part of his or her body.
Also, the Feral template is from Savage Species.

Spoiler

I hate that book.

 

[Omegaxicor]

yea that's what I meant, any part of the body not just fists like other classes (although I rule that all classes get that part because I want to kick as a Ranger)

 

[amphoterik]

Awesome everyone. Thanks!

 

[Wyvernhand]

yea that's what I meant, any part of the body not just fists like other classes (although I rule that all classes get that part because I want to kick as a Ranger)

Unarmed Attacks

Striking for damage with punches, kicks, and head butts is much like attacking with a melee weapon, except for the following:
Attacks of Opportunity

Attacking unarmed provokes an attack of opportunity from the character you attack, provided she is armed. The attack of opportunity comes before your attack. An unarmed attack does not provoke attacks of opportunity from other foes nor does it provoke an attack of opportunity from an unarmed foe.
An unarmed character can’t take attacks of opportunity (but see "Armed" Unarmed Attacks, below).

From the SRD, under the Combat chapter in the standard action attack heading. All characters, monk or non-monk, can make UASs with any part of their body.

As far as feral goes:

Improved Grab (Ex): If a feral creature hits an opponent that is at least one size catagory smaller than itself with a claw attack, it deals normal damage and attempts to start a grapple as a free action without provoking an attack of opportunity. If it gets a hold, it can rake if it has that ability. Alternatively, it has the option to conduct the grapple normally, or hold the opponent (-20 penalty on grapple checks, but the feral creature is not considered grappled). In either case, each successful grapple check it makes during successive rounds automatically deal claw damage.

Referencing the SRD, we see:

If a creature with this special attack hits with a melee weapon (usually a claw or bite attack), it deals normal damage and attempts to start a grapple as a free action without provoking an attack of opportunity. No initial touch attack is required.
Unless otherwise noted, improved grab works only against opponents at least one size category smaller than the creature. The creature has the option to conduct the grapple normally, or simply use the part of its body it used in the improved grab to hold the opponent. If it chooses to do the latter, it takes a -20 penalty on grapple checks, but is not considered grappled itself; the creature does not lose its Dexterity bonus to AC, still threatens an area, and can use its remaining attacks against other opponents.
A successful hold does not deal any extra damage unless the creature also has the constrict special attack. If the creature does not constrict, each successful grapple check it makes during successive rounds automatically deals the damage indicated for the attack that established the hold. Otherwise, it deals constriction damage as well (the amount is given in the creature’s descriptive text).
When a creature gets a hold after an improved grab attack, it pulls the opponent into its space. This act does not provoke attacks of opportunity. It can even move (possibly carrying away the opponent), provided it can drag the opponent’s weight.

So a feral creature, assuming it doesn't have constrict, will deal ONLY claw damage with each successful grapple check to deal damage. If it also has constrict, it will deal claw damage + constrict damage only. UAS damage doesn't factor in here unless the grappling creature initiates a grapple through a means OTHER than Improved Grab.

 

[Omegaxicor]

From the SRD, under the Combat chapter in the standard action attack heading. All characters, monk or non-monk, can make UASs with any part of their body.

Wow...twice in one day, I learn something new. Why is it reference it so strongly in the Monk description then?

 

[amphoterik]

[MENTION=97681]Wyvernhand[/MENTION] it then seems to me that I would get both. Since I get to do unarmed damage by hurting my opponent, and I just so happen to get claw damage whenever I win a grapple check.

Are you saying I don't get to do both in the turn I use grab, or any turn? Also, what about when I don't use grab but just a normal grapple?