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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MongooseFamiliar" data-source="post: 3264580" data-attributes="member: 48667">Note: This is the last time I'm discussing this issue in this thread. It isn't fair to derail it with our arguement. If you care to continue it and bring other folks into the debate, we can start a separate thread.Readying Maneuvers on p. 38 - "Maneuvers require preparation in the form of exercise, prayer, meditation, or simple mental rehearsal...each class requires 5 minutes of preparation time...you can exchange your previously chosen set of readied maneuvers for a new set of readied maneuvers." Nothing covered here about recovering, just preparing.Recovering Maneuvers on p. 40 - Interestingly enough, it doesn't mention Adaptive Style here. "You begin each encounter with all your readied maneuvers unexpended. When you initiate a maneuver, it is expended - you cannot use it again UNTIL YOU RECOVER IT. You can recover expended maneuvers in two ways: through special actions (the ones listed are the same as those in each class listing) or the end of battle."Adaptive Style on p. 28 - "You can change your readied maneuvers at any time by taking a full-round action. Normal: You can change maneuvers only by spending 5 minutes to do so." The benefit seems to be that if you get into an unexpected situation you can tailor your maneuvers to the situation in one round rather than having to spend five minutes. Except for the crusader, nothing is mentioned regarding RECOVERING maneuvers.Sorry, but I don't think Adaptive Style can just remove the necessary limiter on the Swordsage's power. They know more maneuvers and can have more readied than either of the other classes. The trade-off is that they can't get them back as quickly. Reading "change readied maneuvers" as "I get to use everything again" is pretty selective interpretation and totally ignoring A) the text of the Adaptive Style feat and B) the Recovering Maneuvers text on p. 40.   It is, to be blunt, wishful thinking.And that CONCLUDES any more discussion of this topic in this thread. If anyone wishes to continue, let's take it elsewhere and return to discussion of unarmed ninjas.Speaking of, in the Swordsage description in the ToB there is the unarmed adaptation on p. 20. You get the monk's unarmed strike progression in exchange for the light armor proficiency. Swordsages also get Weapon Focus  for the weapons of a particular discipline at first level, and unarmed strike is a favored weapon for Setting Sun, Shadow Hand, and Tiger Claw. Shadow Hand is my favorite ninja-type school, though Tiger Claw's leap attacks would mesh beautifully with the jump bonuses that ninjas get. Half of non-martial adept class levels stack with your martial adept class for determining which maneuvers you can get, so a single-level Swordsage dip after level 3 would let you access Shadow Jaunt (teleport 50ft through Shadows) and Cloak of Deception (like an endless Ghost Step if you are out of battle) and Child of Shadows (Stance that gives you 20% concealment as long as you move). If you dip after fifth level you could get Assassin's stance for +2d6 sneak attack or Dance of the Spider Stance for spider climb as well as a strike that deals 4 points of strength damage.I'm not sure I'd go for more than one level of Swordsage if I was playing a ninja or a monk, but that is because I really like the class abilities and I don't want to dilute the flavor there too much, but that's just my opinion, and some of the better optimizers can probably advise you on how to get the most out of a combo with any of those.</blockquote>

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