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<blockquote data-quote="Squire James" data-source="post: 3264977" data-attributes="member: 548">On-topic stuff first...I don't think it should be possible to out-monk a monk, so to speak, but I also don't think monks should have a monopoly on unarmed combat either.&nbsp; This is a hole in the D&amp;D rules, in my opinion.&nbsp; To get an effective unarmed ninja with current rules, I think you need at least 1 level of monk to establish some unarmed combat ability.&nbsp; Perhaps you can convince the DM to allow Aestetic Rogue from Complete Advenurer (it allows monk and rogue levels to stack for the purposes of figuring unarmed damage and +2 DC on Stunning Fist when executing a sneak attack), and perhaps allow it to apply to ninjas and their Sudden Strike ability.&nbsp; You can even freely multi-class between monk and rogue/ninja if you're still lawful (and you probably should if you want to avoid an XP penalty).Now for the secondary Book of Nine Swords discussion...&quot;Only your readied maneuvers are available for immediate use&quot; is a constraint on availability and nothing more.&nbsp; Readied maneuvers are NOT necessarily available for immediate use, because for instance their slots might have been expended.&nbsp; Readying maneuvers and recovering them seem to be separate activities.That being said, the combination of rules CAN be interpreted to assume that the act of choosing maneuvers for readying also causes a recovery cycle since that is usually what happens when new maneuvers are readied.&nbsp; However, this is not a certainty, and DM's are within their rights to rule differently (or ban the feat, if it comes to that).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Squire James, post: 3264977, member: 548"] On-topic stuff first... I don't think it should be possible to out-monk a monk, so to speak, but I also don't think monks should have a monopoly on unarmed combat either. This is a hole in the D&D rules, in my opinion. To get an effective unarmed ninja with current rules, I think you need at least 1 level of monk to establish some unarmed combat ability. Perhaps you can convince the DM to allow Aestetic Rogue from Complete Advenurer (it allows monk and rogue levels to stack for the purposes of figuring unarmed damage and +2 DC on Stunning Fist when executing a sneak attack), and perhaps allow it to apply to ninjas and their Sudden Strike ability. You can even freely multi-class between monk and rogue/ninja if you're still lawful (and you probably should if you want to avoid an XP penalty). Now for the secondary Book of Nine Swords discussion... "Only your readied maneuvers are available for immediate use" is a constraint on availability and nothing more. Readied maneuvers are NOT necessarily available for immediate use, because for instance their slots might have been expended. Readying maneuvers and recovering them seem to be separate activities. That being said, the combination of rules CAN be interpreted to assume that the act of choosing maneuvers for readying also causes a recovery cycle since that is usually what happens when new maneuvers are readied. However, this is not a certainty, and DM's are within their rights to rule differently (or ban the feat, if it comes to that). [/QUOTE]

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