Unbeliever PrC needs help

[xigbar]

Both the Wizards and Cleric in both parties will have time to buff. They do have the Druid, and possibly the Animal Companion, if ACFs are out of the picture. If you give the Unbeliever a high Init (you'd have to, or it just gets killed by a Shapechanged Wizard, for example,) it should also be buffed, and you charge the Druid. A grapple focused build might go toe to toe with the Wildshaped Druid. The Wizard and Cleric, and the Rogues and Barbarians, are left to duke it out. Of course, this assumes a sort of shock trooper (by definition, not the feat) kind of Unbeliever Build, but in that case, it's an even playing field. In thart context, it's making a noticeable impact on gmae play among Tier Ones. I might go so far as to say "fellow" Tier Ones.

 

[Zesty Gordita]

You're trying to be sarcastic, but the funny thing is THAT IS WHAT CASTERS CAN DO. So, you've only supported my point, thanks.

How.... was that sarcasm when he denied sarcasm in the first place?

I personally think that an Antimagic Field (of sorts) would be much cooler than just magic immunity. Especially if you could will away the "Antimagic Field" so that you can... you know, get healed? Either one however would stop you from being able to use magic items. Except in the case of the "Antimagic Field", you could will it away and gain the benefits of said magic items. The Magic Immunity would never allow it since you have to not believe in magic itself.

In any case, you've given the class abilities that monsters from the Epic Level Handbook have. An example would be the Colossi which have Magic Immunity and Antimagic Field and range from a CR 24 to a CR 33.

Anyway, it seems that you sir are the one looking for a fight. And, since I am not, I will agree that a fighting class that is the bane of all things magic would be awesome. You just.... may be approaching it a little too harshly.

I sincerely hope that I have not offended you in any way

 

[kitcik]

How.... was that sarcasm when he denied sarcasm in the first place?

I personally think that an Antimagic Field (of sorts) would be much cooler than just magic immunity. Especially if you could will away the "Antimagic Field" so that you can... you know, get healed? Either one however would stop you from being able to use magic items. Except in the case of the "Antimagic Field", you could will it away and gain the benefits of said magic items. The Magic Immunity would never allow it since you have to not believe in magic itself.

In any case, you've given the class abilities that monsters from the Epic Level Handbook have. An example would be the Colossi which have Magic Immunity and Antimagic Field and range from a CR 24 to a CR 33.

Anyway, it seems that you sir are the one looking for a fight. And, since I am not, I will agree that a fighting class that is the bane of all things magic would be awesome. You just.... may be approaching it a little too harshly.

I sincerely hope that I have not offended you in any way

First, love the name. Sorry if you felt I was being harsh, there is history with those two. Nuff said.

I agree the At Will AntiMagic Field would be better - that would make him tier 1 IMHO. I thought this was more flavorful and easier to administrate as magic items would be on all the time - not so much record keeping to deal with.

Healing aspect is bad, as is lack of getting buffed. Maybe add the ability to turn off the spell immunity.

 

[kitcik]

Both the Wizards and Cleric in both parties will have time to buff. They do have the Druid, and possibly the Animal Companion, if ACFs are out of the picture. If you give the Unbeliever a high Init (you'd have to, or it just gets killed by a Shapechanged Wizard, for example,) it should also be buffed, and you charge the Druid. A grapple focused build might go toe to toe with the Wildshaped Druid. The Wizard and Cleric, and the Rogues and Barbarians, are left to duke it out. Of course, this assumes a sort of shock trooper (by definition, not the feat) kind of Unbeliever Build, but in that case, it's an even playing field. In thart context, it's making a noticeable impact on gmae play among Tier Ones. I might go so far as to say "fellow" Tier Ones.

That's the goal, but I'm not sure it's there. First, it is currently hard to buff (immune to buffs). Second, it has 5 levels of, say, warblade, then 10 levels of this. This adds good BAB and 3 fighter bonus feats, whereas a level 15 druid has a ton of spells to go with wildshape and companion. even if they can't be used directly offensively vs. the Unbeliever, they will support the party.

I guess I am saying, ok this thing is hard to take down but it is also hard to buff/heal and has limited offense & versatility and no utility. Is i really tier 1? If not, that says a lot about the power of casters since this seems broken on first look.

 

[Zesty Gordita]

First, love the name. Sorry if you felt I was being harsh, there is history with those two. Nuff said.

I agree the At Will AntiMagic Field would be better - that would make him tier 1 IMHO. I thought this was more flavorful and easier to administrate as magic items would be on all the time - not so much record keeping to deal with.

Healing aspect is bad, as is lack of getting buffed. Maybe add the ability to turn off the spell immunity.

Thanks! And I apologize then, I had no idea O_O

You could always say that it's an "Antimagic Field, __ ft radius (maybe 10?) around the character. At the center is a 5 ft gap in the Antimagic Field."
That way he could still be hit by magical weapons (unless the magic still wouldn't work since the wielder of it is outside the 5 ft) and he could still in turn use magic weapons/items, get buffed, healed, etc. Also, he should definitely have a way to turn it off so that he doesn't mess with his party; maybe even be able to fill in the gap (in case he gets grappled).

Although at that point, it would no longer be powered by his disbelief in magic... maybe it could be powered by his "realization" that magic is nothing more than words and hand gestures that borrow the powers of the gods/universe. And he in turn can control those same powers to some degree by using his knowledge of what it really is, but to return those powers to the gods/universe (maybe the spells used turn back into their material components? that'd be kinda cool).

I'm not really sure how it would work.... disbelief, understanding, hatred, denial, etc.

 

[the Jester]

Yes, this guy is way overboard.

First of all, assuming that a fighter is outclassed by a wizard at high levels (which I don't buy 100% if the fighter has the right magic items, but I digress) and that you want a warrior type who is the equal of a caster with wish or miracle, you have to start by deciding what that really means.

The way this reads, at least with a once-over, is "I can kick a wizard's ass". But is it combat that is really the issue, or is it the caster's ability to seize the narrative of the game and redirect it?

If the wizard doesn't like how things are going where he is, he teleports the party elsewhere. Or takes them to another plane. Or whatever. If the fighter doesn't like how things are going where he is... he rides away on his horse? In this case, the caster can actively redirect the campaign, while the fighter can't, at least not without going through all the rigamarole of getting to the faraway wherever.

Now, the problem is, your unbeliever class doesn't address the narrative control issue, and it overdoes it on the combat stuff.

Another thing is, are you going to offer a comparable sort of superbuff prestige class designed for rogues? And another for monks? From a campaign perspective, I see this prestige class as being problematic unless you do the work to prep equivalently powerful stuff for other classes as well.

 

[nonsi256]

his guy could easily take a Tome of Battle base class and go to town.

1. I'm probably missing something here, but 1-on-1 I don't see what advantage this guy has vs. a decently built martial adept of equal HD.
2. There are spells that don't affect the target directly - these are still effective vs. this guy. Also, the loss of benefitting from spells is terrible.

 

[Visigani]

You're trying to be sarcastic, but the funny thing is THAT IS WHAT CASTERS CAN DO. So, you've only supported my point, thanks.

No, I was not being sarcastic.

 

[Umbran]

Had a bad day at kindergarten today?

It is ironic that a person who seems to have forgotten their most basic manners should say something like that.

If you want to be insulting and condescending, please do it on some other board. Stop doing it here. Thank you.

Anyone else who is considering continuing in a similar vein - just don't. Again, thank you.

 

[Visigani]

It is ironic that a person who seems to have forgotten their most basic manners should say something like that.

If you want to be insulting and condescending, please do it on some other board. Stop doing it here. Thank you.

Anyone else who is considering continuing in a similar vein - just don't. Again, thank you.

You know, you say some pretty mean condescending things yourself there.

This could've been handled privately. In the future, slow down and think about what you're saying before you post.

Let this be a warning to you.