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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sejs" data-source="post: 3274056" data-attributes="member: 4910">Putting aside the old Define "Even if" argument that mucks up most Uncanny Dodge discussions, and assuming that we're using a definition that reads as only including being caught flat-footed or struck by an invisible attacker.Ways to lose your dex mod:Being grappled (no dex versus anyone other than your fellow grapplers).Being blind.Cowering.Being successfully feinted in combat.Being helpless (...but that kind of goes without saying, heh).Being paralyzed (likewise goes without saying).Being stunned.Running (assuming no Run feat).Climbing.Balancing (that is: using the balance skill) if the person has less than 5 ranks in the skill.  May be a gray area due to wording on the skill.</blockquote>