D&D 5E (2024) Unconfirmed Dark Sun World Book

[Charlaquin]

So what?

I'm pointing out why that would be a bad thing that completely goes against the spirit and themes of the setting.

And yet, it’s probably what will happen. The sooner you get used to the idea that 5e Dark Sun isn’t going to appeal to you, the sooner you can move on to caring about something you can control.

 

[Necropolitan]

And yet, it’s probably what will happen. The sooner you get used to the idea that 5e Dark Sun isn’t going to appeal to you, the sooner you can move on to caring about something you can control.

Nah, fans are going to keep justifiably criticizing the direction WOTC is taking and they're correct to do so.

The people complaining about Dark Sun aren't going to buy it if WOTC makes the changes they're demanding, it's just going to alienate the fans of the original while failing to gain new ones.

That was proven by Baldur's Gate 3 vs Dragon Age: The Veilguard. The former was made for fans of the setting (and had everything the complainers complained about) and drew in lots of new people. The latter was made for the complainers and was accordingly awful.

 

[Azzy]

It's not. Also fallacy fallacy.

Who, then, is actually saying that "genocide, imperialism, slavery, body horror, cannibalism, etc, should be removed from Dark Sun because children can't handle them"?

 

[Charlaquin]

Nah, fans are going to keep justifiably criticizing the direction WOTC is taking and they're correct to do so.

And yet, WotC is still not going to give them what they want. Sorry, that’s just how it is.

The people complaining about Dark Sun aren't going to buy it if WOTC makes the changes they're demanding, it's just going to alienate the fans of the original while failing to gain new ones.

Good. Don’t buy it if it isn’t what you want.

That was proven by Baldur's Gate 3 vs Dragon Age: The Veilguard. The former was made for fans of the setting (and had everything the complainers complained about) and drew in lots of new people. The latter was made for the complainers and was accordingly awful.

I don’t know what complainers you’re talking about, but BG3 was as good as it was because of a very long early access period, and the fruits of that were mostly moving away from Larian’s tendency to revel in “cool evil” and make all its NPCs insufferable.

Veilguard wasn’t made for anyone. Not the fans, not whoever you’re alluding to as “the complainers,” not the developers, not even the EA executives. It was a development catastrophe that Corinne Busche somehow managed to wrangle into a cohesive product in the eleventh hour, and turned out shockingly well given the absolute mess she had to work with.

 

[Plaguescarred]

Would it better pass if WoTC put in the next DARK SUN sourcebook something along the lines of an optional rule with warning while most of the material otherwise don't evoke slavery at all?

Optional: Slavery
Slavery is a sensitive subject not for everyone but it can still be part of Athas if you allow it. Discuss with your players and if everyone is fine with the presence of slaves in your game, then slavery can exist as little or much as you want, being even commonplace in cities and gladiatorial arenas.

 

[Scribe]

Would it better pass if WoTC put in the next DARK SUN sourcebook something along the lines of an optional rule with warning while most of the material otherwise don't evoke slavery at all?

Its already going to be full of warnings and 'we are not endorsing' and 'past books include bad things' and 'talk to your players and dont hurt feelings' type language, if its anything remotely like what Dark Sun should look like.

 

[Maxperson]

I mean, the short answer is that Dr. Who is a British show and genocide, imperialism and slavery are indelible parts of British culture. Cannibalism too, if you consider the Picts as British.

You might want to talk to the Native Americans and African Americans about whether or not slavery, imperialism, and genocide are a part of the American culture.

Also, talk to Jeffrey Dahmer and the Donner Party(man, that sounds like a 60s rock band).

 

[Plaguescarred]

I highly doubt the next DARKSUN sourcebook will be full of warnings though i expect to be some at least. I'd bet less than 1% of the word count will be on warning.

 

[Maxperson]

Nice straw man.

Where is the Strawman? I see an Appeal to Popularity in there, but not a Strawman.

 

[Parmandur]

Would it better pass if WoTC put in the next DARK SUN sourcebook something along the lines of an optional rule with warning while most of the material otherwise don't evoke slavery at all?

The DMG already talks about how to handle this.