Undead and slain familiars

[Jack Simth]

Undead are immune to any effect that requires a fort save, unless it is harmless or also affects objects.

The death of a familiar requires a Fort save for half XP loss.

By RAW, does this mean that when a the familiar of a lich, ghost, vampire, or other undead is slain, the undead loses no XP?

Edit: Ditto for constructs, or anything with no Con score?

 

[Zandel]

By RAW the 'effect' of the fort save is to halve the XP loss so i'd say they either always take full or always take none. I'm leaning towards none. I'd use they always take full though as a house rule.

 

[Jack Simth]

By RAW the 'effect' of the fort save is to halve the XP loss so i'd say they either always take full

Wouldn't this interpertation imply that a spell with a Fort negates, Fort half, Fort Partial, or some such always works against undead unless specified otherwise? After all, the effect of the fort save is to negate, halve, partial, or some such the spell...

or always take none. I'm leaning towards none. I'd use they always take full though as a house rule.

 

[Zandel]

Good point! Your right of course.....I'm thinking of something else were talking of the effect that caused the fort save not the effect of the fort save.

For the purpose of spellcasters and familiars like this though i'd say they loose full.

 

[Jack Simth]

Any particular reason? Doesn't seem like a balance issue - after all, it's pretty much just a familiar's death that causes such XP loss - the death of a Druid or Ranger's Animal Companion costs no XP and can be mostly remedied with 24 hours notice (save for taught tricks above and beyond the bonus ones - which can take up to 6 weeks more), and a Paladin's mount comes back after 30 days (or if the Paladin gains a level), again with no XP loss. I'm kinda curious as to your reasoning for why.

 

[Zandel]

I personally add the EXP loss to palidins mounts and any other creature like that that forms a bond with the character...it's just a you invest personal power to make them better thing and when they die you lose your investment.

 

[Krafen]

Hmm, so if you have Mettle and make your save, I suppose you lose no XP.

 

[werk]

Objects can't lose xp, so the undead is unaffected.

As if undead care if their familiar dies...

If someone says they have to roll, use the 'undead are immune to energy drain" clause.

 

[ElvishBard]

I would make them roll for it, even if they are undead. Wizards lose exp when I kill their families familiars and even going undead won't stop it, rules or no rules.

 

[Scharlata]

[...]The death of a familiar requires a Fort save for half XP loss.[...]

Hi!

Watch out for a sequel of this: Familiars

Kind regards