Undead PC's

[Alasgore]

Effective, this is a very big step forwards for undead PC's
Though these are still high LA Templates and are not a good idea for inexperienced DM's or players to use.

 

[Marred_Bard]

Good, Alasgore, though minor point: the one character is a Vampire Spawn, but Libris Mortis has that progression, so it's no worry. Thanks for the vampire one, though, I had it handwritten from 7 years ago when we had not printer, and couldn't remember where to find it...

 

[prospero63]

Effective, this is a very big step forwards for undead PC's
Though these are still high LA Templates and are not a good idea for inexperienced DM's or players to use.

Yes, and yes. Also, don't forget that in the case of the savage progression, etc. those are instead of class levels. The way I think of it is while everyone else gains class levels, they gain template levels.

 

[meltinbradley]

Wow...

I did not realize that more posts were added....

First of all, he is a Vampire Spawn. There is eight levels of it in the Libris Mortis, so there is no LA. However, I didn't trip off the fact that the Lich has a +4 LA...
robertliguori/pawsplay- Thanks for your ideas....
irdeggman- yes, he probably paid triple the xp cost. I just didnt give him any xp for a dew sessions. Then one day I was like, ok youre going to start to get xp now. Oh...if only you gave me the lich progession sooner.
The druid is actually kicking ass right now....aside from combat, he has so many useful spells that find and locate things and he is able to move from place to place easy, he is a crucial element to the group. I am not worried about him anymore.
I am somewhat worried about the spell thief but I gave him crystals that affect undead and constructs, allowing to bypass damage reduction and cause critical damage. So when he gets his sneak attacks and he has some nasty spells that give him a really high hide and move silently, not to mention another spell that raises his AB he has become a pretty dangerous player. (I mainly gave him those so if the PC's try to take advantage of him he has some things he can do. He also has a mace of disruption.)

Currently, I seperated the lich who is serving a more powerful master from the group. I had the rest of the party fight and it seemed a lot better. The vampire was getting injured and didnt have the lich there to heal him.
I created a Ghale NPC and she is nasty towards undead and they dont want none with her.
The party will soon be leaving the world to travel the outer planes and once there there, lich or vampire it doesnt matter, theres TON's of things I can do....Thanks again everyone.

 

[prospero63]

I did not realize that more posts were added....

First of all, he is a Vampire Spawn. There is eight levels of it in the Libris Mortis, so there is no LA. However, I didn't trip off the fact that the Lich has a +4 LA...

So the vampire spawn is a Class Level X/Vampire Spawn 8?

I am somewhat worried about the spell thief but I gave him crystals that affect undead and constructs, allowing to bypass damage reduction and cause critical damage. So when he gets his sneak attacks and he has some nasty spells that give him a really high hide and move silently, not to mention another spell that raises his AB he has become a pretty dangerous player. (I mainly gave him those so if the PC's try to take advantage of him he has some things he can do. He also has a mace of disruption.)

IMO the most potent spellthief is actually designed to steal from his party, not the badguys...

 

[meltinbradley]

hmm

Yes the vampire spawn is 8 levels in vampire spawn, and various levels in other classes. He is a total of 15th level.
Well, thats the funny thing. The spell thief is awesome in other things. He has like a hide and move silently of like 60+ when his spells are activated. He is a experienced gamer, been playing since first addition and knows his which goes A LONG way.
He actually saved the party several times. One time he was able to steal a spell like ability from a enemy and because of that they were able to win the battle. He wouldn't last a second in a straight up fight, but he can disarm traps and locks really well.

 

[concerro]

I have not read all the post, but the problem is not that they are undead. You have a druid, wizard, and dreadnecro(another caster). Casters are very powerful if one is in the group. It is actually better to go straight caster than lich, unless you get it for free like the DN does. Losing casters levels to level adjustments is not worth it if you are doing it for purposes of power.