Unearthed Arcana 3.5....where besides Kazaa?

Nightfall said:
In any case I still say, cheap a$$ gamers only use Kazaa. I should know. I'm one too. ;)

That's not something I would want to hear from one of MY playtesters-- all of whom enjoy my trust and, with fair regularity, PDF versions of the book for review.

Wulf
 

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Henry said:
Somehow I can see someone doing this properly (eventually) and calling it "Hidden Esoterica" or some such name evocative of the original work, but the question is, will someone do it before WotC puts it into the SRD?

Won't matter. Someone else can just take Hidden Esoterica and republish it for free.

I don't want to be the guy who spends dozens of hours typing out all the OGC just so someone else can republish it for free and screw up my grand plans of raking in, what, probably 60 bucks or so from RPGnow.

I DO want to be the guy who republishes it for free to screw that guy who tries to make a quick buck. I'm a jerk like that.


Wulf
 

Wulf Ratbane said:
Won't matter. Someone else can just take Hidden Esoterica and republish it for free.

I don't want to be the guy who spends dozens of hours typing out all the OGC just so someone else can republish it for free and screw up my grand plans of raking in, what, probably 60 bucks or so from RPGnow.

I DO want to be the guy who republishes it for free to screw that guy who tries to make a quick buck. I'm a jerk like that.


Wulf

This is actually what I meant. Several people have put the SRD on the web in very nice formats for free, just because they can and it's cool to have a site that lots of people use. I think the same thing might happen with UA, but I don't think that will hurt its sales any more than the current sites keep people from buying the core books.
 


CRGreathouse said:
No, not really. They can change the d20 license as often as they like, and companies have to comply or drop the logo. They can't force the use of a new OGL, though; even if they came out with a new verison, the old version would continue. Legal publishing under the OGL is eternal, so I'm not concerned about it from that angle.

They can't retroactively change the UA OGL license, but they can easily change it for future books. The d20 licensing is still subject to the rules of OGL. It just adds more rules on top in exchange for use of the logo.

In any case, I really think this is all chicken little. The simple fact of the matter is that people are already doing exactly what you are afraid of with other WotC books. I did this myself with d20 Modern and posted the link to this board over a year ago ( http://home.comcast.net/~kenji.baugham/ ). A friendly rep from Wizards kindly corrected a minor license discrepency, which I corrected immediately, and when I expressed that I wanted to make sure that everything was kosher, they assured me that it was not only fine to do what I did, but that this was exactly what the license was for! To be honest I don't think many people use the file I compiled, and when they do it's only as a supplement to the d20 Modern hardback - because they want to be able to cut and paste, search, and access on a computer. I'd bet that if anyone uses the file, they probably have the book too. People would much rather have the quality of books from WotC, my distribution channels aren't effective, and I have no motivation nor capital to push for better distribution since I get no benefit from people downloading. Other people have done it with other books too, including someone who did the d20 SRD, added extra features and support that I didn't, and now charges money for these premiums on rpgnow.

You know what? There is simply no indication that this has hurt WotC one bit. There is no indication that it will hurt them in the future. As I have said before, the market has spoken, and this really isn't an issue. What's even more interesting is that all of these examples are OGL rips of WotC's cash cow core books, which in the case of the d20 SRD books on rpgnow are much more important for WotC's cash flow than Unearthed Arcana is. If that didn't bother them or hurt their sales of the PHB, DMG, and MM, then why would they suddenly stop producing OGC just because the exact same thing happens with Unearthed Arcana?

This is no big deal. It will be great for people to have a PDF version of the OGC in Unearthed Arcana. It will save a lot of typing time for people who want to re-use content via the license or include it, fairly licensed, in their campaign bible handouts. This is a really good thing.
 

Nightfall said:
Kazaa,

Where cheap a$$ gamers get their books.

Hey I don't download pdf version to save money... I do it as a means of checking out the book first. Like a test drive. Though of course I do forget to erase it later. :)

On a serious note... I have PDF versions downloaded of every D&D book as an easy means of acessing them or taking them to work. Especially when somone borrows my book and forgets to return it on time.
 

Ua Ogc

The real benefit to having an electronic copy of the OGC in UA is reuse. Whether someone scans it in or they type it in, or WotC adds it to the SRD, the benefit is to not have a lot of rules for the same thing that are just barely incompatible with each other.

It is a benefit to the buyers of the products because they don't have to continually relearn rules, it is a benefit to third party publishers because they get to create and sell product, and it is a benefit to WotC because it drives sales of their core books.

Aaron
 

The days of releasing Open Content in order to sell more PHBs are long past. We've reached a point when pretty much anyone who wants a Player's Handbook has already bought one.

The way roleplaying book sales go, most of the purchases happen in the first few months. Clearly nobody's going to publish a book containing all the open content for a while, yet. Therefore UA being open content isn't going to hurt the book sales.
 


SweeneyTodd said:
The days of releasing Open Content in order to sell more PHBs are long past. We've reached a point when pretty much anyone who wants a Player's Handbook has already bought one.
Your source for this assertion?

Those looking for the Modern SRD online can use my site, hosted by 12 To Midnight:

Modern SRD Online

I use online versions constantly -- much more convenient than leafing through books. Plus cutting and pasting, yay.
 

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