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<blockquote data-quote="Gardens &amp;amp; Goblins" data-source="post: 7713835" data-attributes="member: 6846794">Well aye, sounds like the games we run. The feat does provide the bonus of having the effect occur on an attack but then again, let's say a player choose this feat. Does this mean nobody else can ever attempt to strike a blow and Intimidate a target? I'd hope not but I could see how some folks might argue otherwise.We basically have something like: ''Player: I want to terrify the orc into submission! Could Blaarg the Barbarian shout and strike the orc with such force to make it so?'' ''DM: Sure, it'll be at disadvantage, and you'll need to make a successful Intimidation check. But hey, let's say you do hit - and it's a decent chunk of damage - then sure!'' - which is a more fast and loose style of play, reliant on DM and player cooperation, compared to: ''Blaarg strikes the orc and uses his Menacing ability to try and Demoralize it!'' - which is arguably a more consistent/cleaner style of play, the result of codification. Both have their merits. Though, to be clear, while I do prefer the first style, I can accept the advantages and appeal of the second for some tables.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Gardens & Goblins, post: 7713835, member: 6846794"] Well aye, sounds like the games we run. The feat does provide the bonus of having the effect occur on an attack but then again, let's say a player choose this feat. Does this mean nobody else can ever attempt to strike a blow and Intimidate a target? I'd hope not but I could see how some folks might argue otherwise. We basically have something like: [I][I]''Player: I want to terrify the orc into submission! Could Blaarg the Barbarian shout and strike the orc with such force to make it so?'' ''DM: Sure, it'll be at disadvantage, and you'll need to make a successful Intimidation check. But hey, let's say you do hit - and it's a decent chunk of damage - then sure!''[/I] [/I]- which is a more fast and loose style of play, reliant on DM and player cooperation, compared to: [I]''Blaarg strikes the orc and uses his Menacing ability to try and Demoralize it!''[/I] - which is arguably a more consistent/cleaner style of play, the result of codification. Both have their merits. Though, to be clear, while I do prefer the first style, I can accept the advantages and appeal of the second for some tables. [/QUOTE]

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