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<blockquote data-quote="Enevhar Aldarion" data-source="post: 7713945" data-attributes="member: 6818233">Eh, all this intimidate and menace stuff just needs a simple limit placed on it, say it works on a number of hit dice of creatures equal to the character's total level, with maybe a small bonus depending on how well the check succeeds. With this, a 10th level barbarian could menace a similarly leveled BBEG or could intimidate 10 1HD orcs or some such. And like others have said, I just cannot see a little squishy level 3 or 4 bard being menacing at all to a 10+ HD enemy, no matter how high they might get on a check. Alternately, I could allow the BBEG to be so amused and taken off-guard by the attempt that the rest of the party gets a free shot at him.For this feat to really do any of the auto-success stuff with high modifiers that people seem to want it to do, it really needs more fluff than just &quot;you become fearsome to others.&quot; Does this affect the character's appearance? Does he now give off some sort of aura or vibe that just makes others uncomfortable around him? Yes, the DM and player can make this up for their game, but I would be more accepting in general of the feat if this were part of the description to begin with.And on a totally different note about these feats, this may make me different than most other players, but I would be more likely to take one these to boost an ability with a mid-range score and to get the neat effects for a skill I already have, rather than to take one of these just to get one of my top scores closer to 20. but I can see a lot of the arguments here are coming from the viewpoints of min-maxers and players for whom stats are more important than roleplaying.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Enevhar Aldarion, post: 7713945, member: 6818233"] Eh, all this intimidate and menace stuff just needs a simple limit placed on it, say it works on a number of hit dice of creatures equal to the character's total level, with maybe a small bonus depending on how well the check succeeds. With this, a 10th level barbarian could menace a similarly leveled BBEG or could intimidate 10 1HD orcs or some such. And like others have said, I just cannot see a little squishy level 3 or 4 bard being menacing at all to a 10+ HD enemy, no matter how high they might get on a check. Alternately, I could allow the BBEG to be so amused and taken off-guard by the attempt that the rest of the party gets a free shot at him. For this feat to really do any of the auto-success stuff with high modifiers that people seem to want it to do, it really needs more fluff than just "you become fearsome to others." Does this affect the character's appearance? Does he now give off some sort of aura or vibe that just makes others uncomfortable around him? Yes, the DM and player can make this up for their game, but I would be more accepting in general of the feat if this were part of the description to begin with. And on a totally different note about these feats, this may make me different than most other players, but I would be more likely to take one these to boost an ability with a mid-range score and to get the neat effects for a skill I already have, rather than to take one of these just to get one of my top scores closer to 20. but I can see a lot of the arguments here are coming from the viewpoints of min-maxers and players for whom stats are more important than roleplaying. [/QUOTE]

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